Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

[Lo0p]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

There is some misinformation in it.

Baclofen causes physical dependence. If you take it regularly for some time you must decrease your dose gradually before you discontinue it.

NE is an old friend of mine (over? 3 years) and we disagree every once in a while. In this case, I'm not sure where she dug that piece of shit quote up but it's dead wrong. In and of itself the quote is a contradiction.

Baclofen is not addictive. Which is to say that it causes either psychological dependence or both psychological and physical dependence.

Some people are physically dependent on insulin. Some people are physically dependent on blood pressure medication.

Would you call them addicts? No, because they are not psychologically dependent on the medication as well.

I have read hundreds of people's subjective accounts of being under treatment with baclofen. I have read one who believed he was addicted to baclofen. I did not look into his account in order to discern whether or not he knew what addiction meant.

[Lo0p]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

liquorlost;1527928 wrote:

BTW, your post is a perfect example of gibberish

Don't be an ass unless you want it handed to you.

[Lo0p]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

liquorlost;1527933 wrote: and who the f#ck are you punk?

:H:H:H

I need no introduction.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

Lo0p;1527926 wrote:
NE is an old friend of mine (over? 3 years) and we disagree every once in a while. In this case, I'm not sure where she dug that piece of shit quote up but it's dead wrong. In and of itself the quote is a contradiction.

You're right of course, Lo0p. Sort of. Everything that is written about baclofen is for a different purpose and based on a different amount. The way that the word "dependence" is used (in general) in medicine is not the way that we use it here. Both are correct, but what I quoted is not relevant to what we do here. (Sort of.) It is, for the record, a legitimate source.

I got the quote from this book:

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

People, just flag the troll. It's really not worth responding.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

On.Bac;1527064 wrote:
I know that baclofen is not addictive.

On.Bac;1527064 wrote: Let's not lie to people and tell them that baclofen is not addictive,
On.Bac;1527064 wrote: I misuse the term addictive on purpose,

On.Bac;1527662 wrote: The shits addictive. I mean what i mean when i use a word.

It's not addictive. Period.

[Lo0p]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

Oh I knew your citation was spot on.
I was just wondering how it got through your brain to your fingertips and on these pages. Now I half understand why. :thanks:

[Lo0p]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

Ne/Neva Eva;1528115 wrote: People, just flag the troll. It's really not worth responding.

There are very rare circumstances, such as when you're on the phone the entire time with the only other person on the forum getting your jollies and both laughing for 45 minutes at the poor troll while you're poking fun at them, when it seems worth it to the juvenile male brain.

For what it's worth, I almost flagged one of my own posts but just told Spiritwolf333 to flag one of the trolls. Then I pm'ed Xadrian as soon as he arrived and posted, informing him of the situation. Also, I did hold back, albeit primarily because we were laughing too hard and all I had was my tablet and Spirit was sitting on his computer.

And we still had a blast... :happy:

:blush:

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Lo0p;1528194 wrote: Oh I knew your citation was spot on.
I was just wondering how it got through your brain to your fingertips and on these pages. Now I half understand why. :thanks:

And to think that the filter between my brain and my mouth often works less well than the one that goes to my fingertips. *sigh*

[JDizzle]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

Ne/Neva Eva;1528225 wrote: And to think that the filter between my brain and my mouth often works less well than the one that goes to my fingertips. *sigh*

I have that SE. It's not a baclofen SE though.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

Ne/Neva Eva;1528225 wrote: And to think that the filter between my brain and my mouth often works less well than the one that goes to my fingertips. *sigh*
JDizzle;1528241 wrote: I have that SE. It's not a baclofen SE though.

No worries. Like a good (ex)alcoholic, I blame that one on my parents.

[drb120]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

I'm not an arrogant troll. I am under the care of an addiction medicine MD for Baclofen withdrawl. Even with slow downward titration, it can be very tough. He didn't highlight any nursing texts that probably weren't referring to super high long period doses. But he was pretty sure it is very much like benzo addiction. Anyway the terminology isn't important. People should not be led to believe Baclofen is easy to discontinue. The guy you are having a great time laughing at was abrasive, but made some really good points.

[Xadrian]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

drb120;1528669 wrote: I'm not an arrogant troll. I am under the care of an addiction medicine MD for Baclofen withdrawl. Even with slow downward titration, it can be very tough. He didn't highlight any nursing texts that probably weren't referring to super high long period doses. But he was pretty sure it is very much like benzo addiction. Anyway the terminology isn't important. People should not be led to believe Baclofen is easy to discontinue. The guy you are having a great time laughing at was abrasive, but made some really good points.

It is well possible that you have severe baclofen withdrawal effects.
However. I don't believe that your experiences are typical. Rather an exception.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

drb120;1528669 wrote: I'm not an arrogant troll. I am under the care of an addiction medicine MD for Baclofen withdrawl. Even with slow downward titration, it can be very tough. He didn't highlight any nursing texts that probably weren't referring to super high long period doses. But he was pretty sure it is very much like benzo addiction. Anyway the terminology isn't important. People should not be led to believe Baclofen is easy to discontinue. The guy you are having a great time laughing at was abrasive, but made some really good points.
Agreed. With some exceptions. We were not laughing at him. The things that he got wrong far outweighed the things he got right. And when confronted with those discrepancies (and certainly his abrasiveness did not help) he was flat out abusive.

The other thing to note, drb, is that at least two of us told you exactly this: drb120;1528669 wrote: Even with slow downward titration, it can be very tough.

and the way you took bac, the way you titrated down, and your reluctance to address either of those things with any of the suggestions we offered (including finding a qualified doctor to help you manage those things) made it extremely difficult to help in any productive way. I know you were sick at the time. I'm really glad you're getting help and I truly hope you're feeling better. But perhaps rather than alarmist posts related to the dangers of baclofen in general, you can share your own experience as a cautionary tale. I am personally very, very weary from telling people repeatedly that taking too much, too quickly, and then stopping or dropping dramatically and abruptly is dangerous. They don't listen. You didn't listen. It would probably be very helpful if you explained, in detail, and without hyperbole, what you did and what others should avoid.

The reason? Baclofen works. You know it works. And if given the option between a life of alcoholism and treating myself with a medication that might offer me absolute remission, I would always choose the latter. It is erroneous and frankly insulting and very annoying to suggest that I (or anyone here) ignores that baclofen 1. has side effects that can be debilitating or 2. isn't a drug to be taken seriously. So just stop with the martyr thing. We were straightforward with you. We spent a lot of time attempting to help navigate (off of the forum, people) some of the solutions that have worked for us, and what might help you. And frankly, it was all met with unwillingness. Again, I understand. But I'm (we're) just people trying to navigate this and help others along the way. It can be...exhausting.

Tell your story, without the bs. I'd like to share it. For instance, on this thread: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ars-75432.html

The guy just went from 250 to 75. Fortunately he did not go to the heights (and lengths) that both you and golfmonster went to, and it's likely he won't have the same long term anxiety.

For the record, I went up to 320mg and titrated down much more reasonably than either of you, though I also experienced (as you know) some of the side effects you did. The vast majority of us titrate up and then down again. Without needing to take anti-anxiety meds, or see a specialist. I'm at 80mg now. And I'm fine.

Share your story. It may help someone. But lay off the other stuff, please.

[spiritwolf333]

Baclofen does not cause physical dependence...

JDizzle;1527429 wrote: Went to my GP yesterday and asked him if high dose bac was bad for my kidneys and liver. He said no but alcoholism is. I had been worried about that and it put it into perspective for me. Kind of a medical comment. Close enough to topic I hope.

"No, but alcohol is" -great quote JD