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[omahawagon]

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Thanks for sharing all of this, very insightful

[spiritwolf333]

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You Are :welcome:

omahawagon;1494225 wrote: Thanks for sharing all of this, very insightful

[spiritwolf333]

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BAC Update

4/19/13 Friday
As of now, I am going to stay at the 120mg/-3times day/40mg. I may take a test (careful) in about a week. Also, now taking Citalorpram 20/mg per day.

Mid Morning seems to be the more difficult time -not from craving, negative thoughts :upset:and the fact that it has not been that long (19d) since I stopped drinking. As I was reminded, it takes time for the brain to change and patience and acceptance are key for me. Food (Nutrition) at the right time, Adequate Sleep, Exercise, have always helped in the past. Not much exercise these last three weeks.

I am extremely happy that my first thought in the morning is not al related. In fact, I recently started looking forward to starting a new day. This fades mid am but then feel solid after lunch and second dose of bac.

I realize I am on the very front end of my recovery/re-invention. As I have read, my regime will be subject to change. I will listen to all of you, my counselors, and my MD.
Also, it does seem that I am receiving a break from ruminating thoughts -negative thinking. It is no longer an all day fire drill.

Thanks for all the comments and I look forward each day to any comments/opinions.
:thanks:

[bleep]

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Listen to yourself as well. That's the most important person to be listening to at the moment. And, as you have already noted, give it some time.

Seeing as how you are no longer titrating to reach indifference, I would take it easy, and just go up at 10 a week. Not only is this a nice relaxed titration schedule, it will also give you the time between doses to accurately determine what each level is doing for you. I think there will come a time when you discover that going up and up and up is no longer doing anything for you, and if you do it at this nice slow titration, you should be able to see that before you have gone stupidly high.

[StuckinLA]

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Second that. Bac is all about how you feel. Early sobriety can be a bit of a mind-game, though. Just for reference, when I started bac I was sober. 30 days, in fact, and I titrated up to 150 before drinking again after being sober for 60 days.

The point of that is that I wasn't really sure what bac was doing for me, since I wasn't drinking. But there came a moment at 150 that simply seemed magical. I started cleaning my apartment. I opened the shades to let the sun in and cleaned the windows. It's such a stupid, heavy-handed metaphor, but completely true--from hiding inside in the dark to wanting to let light in and look outside. There were other doses that did similar things, like waking up and going outside and taking a picture to send to a friend, just to share the view, but you get the idea. And when you find a dose that works, hang around and enjoy it.

[spiritwolf333]

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bleep;1494405 wrote: Listen to yourself as well. That's the most important person to be listening to at the moment. And, as you have already noted, give it some time.

Seeing as how you are no longer titrating to reach indifference, I would take it easy, and just go up at 10 a week. Not only is this a nice relaxed titration schedule, it will also give you the time between doses to accurately determine what each level is doing for you. I think there will come a time when you discover that going up and up and up is no longer doing anything for you, and if you do it at this nice slow titration, you should be able to see that before you have gone stupidly high.

Bleep -this sounds like a plan. : I have not even considered only going up 10mg per Week --I imagine only moving up once per wk at 10 mg would give me a better chance to decide if I am having a bac se or, just part of my mental (continuing) adjustment to not having alcohol (the Habit). What ever happens, I slowing this train down. :thanks:

[spiritwolf333]

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StuckinLA;1494416 wrote: Second that. Bac is all about how you feel. Early sobriety can be a bit of a mind-game, though. Just for reference, when I started bac I was sober. 30 days, in fact, and I titrated up to 150 before drinking again after being sober for 60 days.

The point of that is that I wasn't really sure what bac was doing for me, since I wasn't drinking. But there came a moment at 150 that simply seemed magical. I started cleaning my apartment. I opened the shades to let the sun in and cleaned the windows. It's such a stupid, heavy-handed metaphor, but completely true--from hiding inside in the dark to wanting to let light in and look outside. There were other doses that did similar things, like waking up and going outside and taking a picture to send to a friend, just to share the view, but you get the idea. And when you find a dose that works, hang around and enjoy it.

Hi -StuckInLA, very interesting comment. I can visualize your comment (about the window (and how it is NOT so stupid). I hope to experience the magical moment as you did, though I will accept not craving as a huge victory (as I already do now -except for some mid morning intense:upset: thoughts).

Would you share your drinking habits (pre-bac), ht/wt. I certainly understand if you don't.
I am: Male/50 y.o. 5-10/185lbs.:thanks:

[kronkcarr]

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spiritwolf333,

The magical moment that StuckinLA describes is true for me. My entire first month was that way. I loved the hawks, the butterflies, the sky and all of nature. Insights flew into my mind at record speed. The second month was nothing like that and I found I couldn't cope with the lulls in my life (I guess I just drank through them before--duh...).

I like your phrase " no longer an all day fire drill". My compulsive thinking has been tamped down some, but it's still there and I'm learning to see and manage it better.

You've received really solid advice here and you're doing quite well. Yay for you!

[Yankee]

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I can't find my original story about my son yesterday.also close to death and his suiside tendencies. No help from any from member. I don't know where to look.

I don't think I can go thru posting it again. I didn't put it in the parents of al. I assumed it I searched my name it would pop up. Wrong.

Yankee

[kronkcarr]

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Yankee,

I found your first post under Just Starting Out. You do have some replies. I hope they direct you. Bless you.

[StuckinLA]

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I just spent the last five minutes looking around for who asked the height/weight question.

So: male, 6 foot even, and fluctuating between 205-215. Though h/w don't seem to have much of an effect on bac.

My drinking history is of course a story of escalation. I've always drank to the point of passing out, but usually put it off until pretty late in the day. In my 20s I had a job where I'd literally not be able to drink sometimes for a couple of days straight, but would go nuts when I could.

That all changed 5 years ago when I switched careers, and that's when I started drinking daily, and sometimes starting earlier in the afternoon, and then eventually multiple-day morning to night drunks. Right before bac, I'd usually have 3 or 4 beers starting at about 2 in the afternoon, then have a couple whiskeys in place of dinner, go to my favorite bar, where the special is a tequila shot/beer combo, have four or five of those, and polish off the night with about 1/2 a bottle of whiskey, passing out usually around 1 am.

That was actually pretty sustainable for longer than you'd think, but I went back home to visit for Christmas and New Year's, and was pretty much drinking morning to night for a week and a half, and I didn't make a resolution or anything, but just didn't put whiskey in my coffee on New Year's Day morning, and well of course I ended up hospitalized overnight for withdrawal.

My drinking since then, and since bac, has been kind of all over the map. I've had a couple sustained 30 day AF stints, but never more than 62 days, and the amount I'm consuming and the time of day I start is also sort of hit or miss. You know the Jimmy Buffet song "It's 5 o'clock Somewhere"? Some days it's like that, and some days like today I'm saying to myself "shit, I'll settle for it's noon somewhere."

If you're really interested, and have some time on your hands, my thread is a pretty in-depth drinking log. I've gone through and deleted a lot of the personally identifying bits, and some stuff that was just stupid and I'm kind of embarrassed about now, but I think it's still fairly intact.

[bleep]

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Yankee, your original thread can be found here: https://www.mywayout.org/community/f1...ers-75948.html

I hope your son finds some peace.

[spiritwolf333]

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Glad to be BAC up and running. I had changed Interface option in User CP to WYSIWYG - changed it back to STNDARD INTERFACE MODE and can now start typing again.)

[kino1]

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Liver area pain

Before we start I'd just like to say I get the usual tests done every 6 months with the results coming back fine. But I still always get that pain (sort of like a stitch in your side) after a few days heavy drinking. Was just wondering if anyone else gets this?

My GPs usual response is "don't drink so much" with a slight smirk. I know this the the right answer but I suppose its just not as easy as that or this board wouldn't have any use. I does sort of keep me in line as pain of any kind is never a good sign even if your results's are good. Other wise I probably just drink more.

[spiritwolf333]

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bleep;1494405 wrote: Listen to yourself as well. That's the most important person to be listening to at the moment. And, as you have already noted, give it some time.

Seeing as how you are no longer titrating to reach indifference, I would take it easy, and just go up at 10 a week. Not only is this a nice relaxed titration schedule, it will also give you the time between doses to accurately determine what each level is doing for you. I think there will come a time when you discover that going up and up and up is no longer doing anything for you, and if you do it at this nice slow titration, you should be able to see that before you have gone stupidly high.

Hi Bleep -This was great advice. I am bac to upping bac dosage (from 170 to 180...) to possibly 200mg or more. I need to know for future reference what the outcome may be. Although I believe I have hit the point of indifference and my anxiety has diminished 10 fold, I would like to be able to comment on the upper end of bac treatment. I respect your knowledge and opinions (as well as the other senior members), and would greatly appreciate your and others honest opinion on this subject (I.e..am I alone in this line of thinking? (Or not thinking..lol)