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    #1

    French Trial of Baclofen begins!

    I found this announcement of the French baclofen trial, called Bacloville, I believe there is another trial as well: Baclofen for the Treatment of Alcohol Drinkers - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

    They are recruiting participants.
    BACLOFENISTA

    baclofenuk.com

    http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





    Olivier Ameisen

    In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"
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    #2
    French Trial of Baclofen begins!

    This seems to be cruel treatment of the placebo group. Are they being paid? I wouldn't like to be the one telling a relapser that everything will be all right - just try these other pills.

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      #3
      French Trial of Baclofen begins!

      There was a debate on this forum a couple of years ago about double blind trials. There is an argument that they are unnecessary and, in some cases, cruel and unethical.

      You have Ameisen saying that 80% of cancer drugs are prescribed off licence.

      Suppose you had a situation where there was a life threatening condition and a very effective treatment came along which was of license, but, the illness only affected a small number of people and there was just no way that anyone would every pay the money to do a large scale trial.

      It would still be negligent of a doctor not to use this drug and to rely, in his defense, on the lack of a double blind trial if the drug was working for a good proportion of the people who were taking it.

      The problem with baclofen use is not that it is off-license, it is that it is not well known. Ordinary doctors with not a lot of experience with alcoholism treatment, anxiety or baclofen are prescribing it legally and in accordance with their rules of professional conduct.

      So, yes, it is cruel to put people through a placebo test when the whole thing is completely unnecessary in the first place.

      There is enough evidence now to say that it is negligent for a doctor not to prescribe baclofen for alcoholism.
      BACLOFENISTA

      baclofenuk.com

      http://www.theendofmyaddiction.org





      Olivier Ameisen

      In addiction, suppression of symptoms should suppress the disease altogether since addiction is, as he observed, a "symptom-driven disease". Of all "anticraving medications used in animals, only one - baclofen - has the unique property of suppressing the motivation to consume cocaine, heroin, alcohol, nicotine and d-amphetamine"

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        #4
        French Trial of Baclofen begins!

        This is a good study since Baclofen is proved that it is primarily used to treat spasticity and is in the early research stages for use for the treatment of alcoholism. And I hope that many people will participate on this trial to get successful and know the its positive result.
        http://www.studyscavenger.com

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          #5
          French Trial of Baclofen begins!

          Hi Otter,

          Can you point me in the direction of where to find anything about the research that was done in the Netherlands please. Do you know if any (preliminary) results have been published yet, or when they are due. It started in 2011 as far as I know, but you seem to be up with what's happening more so...
          Thanks.

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            French Trial of Baclofen begins!

            MissIndygo;1595360 wrote: Hi Otter,

            Can you point me in the direction of where to find anything about the research that was done in the Netherlands please. Do you know if any (preliminary) results have been published yet, or when they are due. It started in 2011 as far as I know, but you seem to be up with what's happening more so...
            Thanks.
            Colin may know what's up in NL. You might PM him in case he isn't checking in.
            With profound appreciation to Dr Olivier Ameisen for his brilliant insight and courageous determination

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              Cassander;1595495 wrote: Colin may know what's up in NL. You might PM him in case he isn't checking in.
              Thanks Cassander, will do.

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                #8
                French Trial of Baclofen begins!

                I remember seeing a Dutch article which expected some results at the beginning of 2014.

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                  #9
                  French Trial of Baclofen begins!

                  I thought the results came out and were not very appealing. People were saying they didnt do the trials right or something. Am I wrong? I admit my memory is dog poo.
                  When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil.

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                    #10
                    French Trial of Baclofen begins!

                    U know what... I was thinking of the trial that was funded by an anonymous donor and that started long before 2013 when this post started. I thought this was an older post. So I am probably wrong and this is a new trial.
                    When you're riding in a time machine way far into the future, don't stick your elbow out the window, or it'll turn into a fossil.

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                      French Trial of Baclofen begins!

                      OH.MY.GAWD.BECKY! It's the ghost of dickless past! I was wondering when you were going to come back here from under your rock (a tenured position).

                      onequart;1465722 wrote:

                      I have to laugh (with cynical sadness) that any treatment "will work for some, but not all". Is there a more meaningless claim?


                      EDIT: I'm just going to add this here as to not bump the thread and further stir the pot....

                      glass;1597383 wrote: Terry K:
                      [...]
                      With minimal effort, we can all Google and get background on everyone here. For example, it took me 20 minutes to get your real name and address.

                      Your problem is not alcohol; it is prob. schizophrenia.
                      onequart;1466946 wrote:                       I don't know what you are talking about. It's hard to hide identities on the Internet. I am tired of conspiracy-theorists conflaging all non-bac-enthusiasts into one person. Just for the heck of it, it took me 20 and 30 minutes to find the real names and addresses of 2 of the stalwarts of this forum.
                      Why don't you guys do the same and stop with the conspiracy stuff?
                      If you compare post histories, it's readily apparent that glass is onequart aka zone aka BillF aka arsenic aka dustbin - the subject matter, the writing style, and the (eventual) malignant rage, are near identical throughout. I personally witnessed the arsenic and dustbin names banned the same evening for taunting another member with veiled threats of divulging that members personal identification info that was discovered (by arsenic/dustbin) on the internet. Same M.O here with this sick, frustrated bully.

                      Evidence:

                      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1542179

                      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1466283

                      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1548250

                      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1545648

                      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1297583

                      glass;1597364 wrote:                       I think Terry K is a troll, in the most sinister meaning.

                      He is a creepy, hateful being who no longer drinks. Well, great. He is is still creepy and hateful. And crawls the Internet to stalk.

                      Hey Terry K: Stalk this. What is my IP address?
                      Calls me a creepy, hateful being, then stalks me on google, taunts me, and explodes in a tirade...oh, the irony.
                      TerryK celebrates 6 years of sobriety and indifference to alcohol thanks to baclofen

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                        #12
                        French Trial of Baclofen begins!

                        Hi Glass/Is_there_any_hope_?/desperados/baclofan/chaos!



                        :H

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                          #13
                          French Trial of Baclofen begins!

                          Well Stuck, when you become homeless after next semester I'll toss you a coin or two on the streets of Hollywood.

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                            #14
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                            glass;1597395 wrote: Well Stuck, when you become homeless after next semester I'll toss you a coin or two on the streets of Hollywood.
                            Better save 'em in case google ever starts charging for name and address searches! :H:H:H

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                              #15
                              French Trial of Baclofen begins!

                              Why?

                              Why is this necessary. Or why is this allowed?

                              I am starting to get over this shit I tell ya'
                              WTF?

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