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[TexasAg]

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:welcome: Fish!

10 months on Bac and not drinking against my will after 27 years! It's amazing!

Read on, ask and plenty of help on these threads!

Cheers!

BTW - Phoenix Labs (Loop) is a top guy and has never failed me. I'm sure it's just part of the "complexities" of running an online business for drunks, myself included! :H

[COSGringo]

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Awesome job TexasAg. I know it's been back and forth as it has for me at times.

It's a great tool.

[TexasAg]

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Thanks Cos!

It's been more forth than back recently so I'm grateful!

Cheers!

[COSGringo]

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Ya know back and forth is a hell of a lot better than just back.

Don't miss those hangovers do ya?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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COSGringo;1503655 wrote: Ya know back and forth is a hell of a lot better than just back.

Don't miss those hangovers do ya?

Amen, brother. Nope.

[COSGringo]

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Man those hangovers.... Well I had one I think about 1 yr ago. I had been doing well actually. NYC biz trip.

Long flights back hungover. Man they were long. Soooo looooong. So regretted it. At least I knew I wasn't going to have one again anytime soon!

Peace all!

[fishcake]

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Thanks all for your answers and support!

My appointment with the head of psychiatry of the Chemical Dependency clinic was interesting. It went like this:

I start explaining to him how I was doing since I first got sober 5 weeks ago. Excellent I said, I actually do feel good and do not have the usual deep depression that follows a relapse. Back to work, doing sports, spirits up, settling in the sober living house. Then I bring up the subject of Baclofen, I explain that I red the book by Dr Ameisein. He eventually tells me that he has prescribed Bac to a dozen of his patients already, to my surprise! His feedback was the following: "I did not think too much of it, most of my patients would complain about extreme fatigue and sometimes loopiness". Not turned off about this (having red multiple journals already and expecting this), I pursue talking about the switch effect and the dosages it requires, I said something like > 200mg (I understand people need different doses, but I wanted to throw in a strong number). He then says that he never prescribed more than 40mg daily... and did not seem familiar with the switch effect. I tried to explain it to him but he did not seem to show any interest, instead he talked about the other drugs out there and said they had similar results. I was a little disappointed at this but did not lose hope nor did I ask for a prescription. I thought to myself he must of not seen results because he didnt increase the dosage. I left his office happy about myself, realizing I do feel good these days, but a little disappointed he did not try Bac all the way. Deep inside, I know I will relapse in a couple of months, once I get too complacent, so I want to be prepared this time, with Bac!

TexasAg wrote: 10 months on Bac and not drinking a gainst my will after 27 years! It's amazing!
Hey TexasAg, did it make you abstinent or make you just chose when to drink without any consequences?

Ne/Neva Eva wrote: Finally, there are several protocols to follow. The most recent is posted on a thread started by Don Quixote and it's in French! You can use the search engine to find it, if I forget to post it later.
Hey Ne, I did not manage to find that user nor the thread...any chance you can share a link?

StuckinLA wrote: So sorry to not be in a very talkative mood at the moment, but others (and I) will be around soon. River Pharmacy (the link advertised at the top of this site) is pretty good, from what I hear. I've always used | medical and pharmaceutical articles at goldpharma and never had a problem with them.

You can find a reliable titration schedule by following what Dr A did in his book, or here Dr. Levin's Titration Schedule. And, though he's a pain in the balls to deal with, Dr L will prescribe bac for you, really no questions asked, so long as you live in the US. His contact info is around here somewhere... found it: Dr. Fred Levin colleague of Dr. Ameisen.

Hey Stuck, again thanks for the tips. I will go with River Pharm, and I won't bother contacting Dr. Fred Levin, if I get my hands on a good titration schedule. That being said, what would be the appropriate amount of Bac to order to start the protocol (money is not an issue)?

john doe wrote: The only thing I'd maybe do is use a pre-paid credit card as some have talked about having there details used (United Pharmacies springs to mind) I've never had this problem myself. I've used Goldpharma for nearly a year from Naltrexone and now Baclofen. 4 days shipping to UK isn't bad.

Thanks for the CC tip, John!

I'm almost ready to order guys....can't wait !

Cheers

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Sorry about the delay!

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ors-65434.html

[fishcake]

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I was also wondering...like most newbies, does this drug actually make it possible to social drink w/o any consequences after the switch? I read threads where people say they regret having had just one drink, even w/o consequences. Others where they say Bac doesnt work and one drink just makes them relapse big time. Then others saying they don't like drinking anymore, it just tastes like alcohol w/o any euphoria. Then lastly others that say they are indifferent and can have a drink or two like a normal person including euphoria (my alcoholic dream haha)

[fishcake]

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Ne/Neva Eva wrote: Sorry about the delay!

No worries Ne, thanks! Very useful link at the end of the thread, the first ones, including the ones in french don't work anymore, but thats ok.

[fishcake]

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I'm thinking of ordering this on River Pharm:

400 tablets
$105.00
$0.263 per pill

Is there a difference a efficiency between brands, say between Samarth Pharma ($0.263 per pill) and Novartis ($0.441 per pill) ?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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Glad you found a link that works. There are others around here, too.

I feel sorry for your doc's patients. That sucks. They're given this amazing drug, but only enough to make them feel uncomfortable. Like giving someone in the desert a drop of water.

fishcake;1503697 wrote: I was also wondering...like most newbies, does this drug actually make it possible to social drink w/o any consequences after the switch? I read threads where people say they regret having had just one drink, even w/o consequences. Others where they say Bac doesnt work and one drink just makes them relapse big time. Then others saying they don't like drinking anymore, it just tastes like alcohol w/o any euphoria. Then lastly others that say they are indifferent and can have a drink or two like a normal person including euphoria (my alcoholic dream haha)

All of the above.
When titrating up I had the experience of getting drunk really quickly on very little booze. And also of not really getting drunk when I drank twice my normal amount. Just in case that comes up in your future...(I hope not. But you know...)

How I feel and react to alcohol since indifference has changed over time. I drink socially occasionally. The only consequences are related to ingesting alcohol. I usually feel lethargic, and often have a headache the next morning. I don't particularly like getting drunk, and have a really hard time drinking enough to get there. (ugh.)

My husband also drinks socially occasionally. He likes to get a little tipsy. (Which can be rather annoying for the wife. Just sayin' ) One time he got very, very, very drunk and drove. He is now much more careful. Still...

Who knows, fish. Not me.

[Colin]

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These two are probably what you are looking for:-

Suppression of Alcohol Dependence Using Baclofen: A 2-Year Observational Study of 100 Patients
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/59463672/Prescribing-Guide-for-Baclofen-in-the-Treatment-of-Alcoholism-Don.pdf

[Juan BH]

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Hey fishcake- nice to make your acquaintance. I can't believe you found a Kaiser doc willing to prescribe baclofen for you! 40mg is pretty pointless though. I just dropped Kaiser this year after trying their outpatient rehab two different times. They said they were going to compel me to do inpatient and I refused. Their approach was surprisingly open minded by combining meds with therapy. I got them to prescribe Naltrexone for me about a year and a half ago. They were inflexible on abstinence though and that of course is why I quit going both times. The whole group therapy thing was kind of a killer for me too. I have social anxiety, so as soon as group ended I would be looking for a few drinks to settle my nerves. Baclofen has put my anxiety on ice and that is one of the reasons I think it's helping me so much.

See you around- j

[COSGringo]

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My doc (Kaiser) was willing to go to 240mg if I could get him supporting documentation. I left it alone. Stuck with doc L.

Social drinking, you can. I tend to get a little loopy off a half of drink. Then I can settle in and say have maybe a couple. It's different to say the least.