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[gratitude]

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i'm with NE. see a sleep specialist and rule out the physical first. could be apNEa.
send me a PM if you would like my address for the artwork. thanks. grat

[kuya]

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StuckinLA;1505616 wrote: I always thought that was supposed to "Eat until you're tired; sleep until you're hungry."

Nah Stuck.....did that all my life! :H:H

Got very fat and bedsores !

[kuya]

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bleep;1505678 wrote: If I recall, Leonardo da Vinci used to sleep in snatches, but throughout the 24 hour cycle, so that might explain your prowess with a pencil.

:H:H:H INDEED!

That said, one of the markers for longevity is the ability to sleep for at least 8 hours or more, but I figure that although those people might live longer, they have been asleep for most of it, so it evens out in the end. Small consolation as you shuffle of this mortal coil early though.

NOW THAT IS PROFOUND!


I have nothing for you, I am sorry to say. Perhaps you should try design a helicopter in your waking hours?

Bleep you are a philosopher

[Wine-no!]

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My Aunt swears by half a syndol tablet which knocks her out for the night. My mum also tried this and it worked for her too.
I hope you can find something that works for you x

[john doe]

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Mirtazapine can really knock some people out. For sleep you only really need a tiny amount. I've heard the more you take the less effect it had on sleep. A quarter of a 15mg tablet knocked me out for 12 hours. Etizolam is also good for sleep. Its an anti anxiety med similar to Xanax but very short lasting so good for sleep.

If you take Ambien make sure your in bed and ready to sleep. I could tell you a craaazzzzy story about Ambien

Most over the counter stuff I've tried hasen't really done anything for me that I've tried.

[ifulovelife2]

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Wow, thanks for all the replies and suggestions chaps and chapesses!

Can I just point out that even though some of you get by apparently very well on less sleep, I don't. That's why I started this thread: because I need a longer period of uninterrupted sleep.

Stuck: the ?great deal of evidence? you refer to, in favour of segmented sleep: seems to just be the theory of one historian who has reinterpreted some historical documents. I do appreciate your input but the vast array of scientific evidence over many decades points again and again to the need for 7 to 8 uninterrupted hours for physical and mental well-being.

Byrdlady: thanks for the Ambien suggestion (and thanks so much for the PM) but the short half life would probably do the same for me as Xanax i.e. put me to sleep but I'd still wake up again 3 to 4 hours later.

John Doe: I haven't tried Etizolam but if it has a short half-life I suspect the above would apply.

Wine-No: the active ingredient of Syndol is the Antihistamine Doxylamine which is also the Unisom I refer to already having tried. It's great! It knocks me out but as with the short half-life benzos/non-benzos: I sleep for 3 to 4 hours and then wake up.

Neva & Gratitude: I did used to suffer from sleep apnea back in the day, when I was a big fat porker. My ex-wife told me she would hear me stop-breathing and worry (hope? lol) I wouldn't start again. In the last couple of years no one has mentioned it to me so I assume I no longer suffer from it. And anyway, when I did have it it didn't interrupt my sleep, just that of my bed partner, so I don't think it's the issue. Sorry Gratitude, no original artwork for you, besides, Neva was the first to suggest it so she would be the one I would send it to. Except of course she has already admitted to copyright theft, having previously printed off some of my art work, so perhaps I should send her the vial of man-goo, or a combination of the two: now THAT's art!!!!!

Otter: Did you mean 'Nytol'? That's the antihistamine Diphenhydramine hydrochloride: the same as is in the American Benadryl. I already take that and it has the same effect as the one I mention to Wine-No above. I already take loads of vitamins and the melatonin you mention. The baked potato idea was a new one for me, so I tried it last night. I took the potato to bed with me but it didn't help. It just lay there on the pillow staring at me. Was I meant to do something with it? Insert it? I tried that but I think maybe I should have let it cool first. Taking Baclofen near to my bed time is the absolute worst thing I could do. That really f**ks my sleep up. In fact, it's the Baclofen SE that I'm trying to ameliorate.

Colin: Mirtazepine sounds a likely candidate. I'm not sure where I'd get it. Certainly not from the NHS who apparently insist you go through a course of CBT before a doctor will consider giving you any meds for insomnia!!!! Hopefully Mirtazepine doesn't cause the ghastly S.E.s other Ads do, specifically SSRIs.

Chaos: thanks for the Trazadone suggestion.

Xadrian: Nope, I haven't tried warm milk but I will. Thanks.

Kradle: ?So if you can just keep yourself relatively sane?. That's a big IF, lol.

Bleep: ?Leonardo da Vinci used to sleep in snatches?. My word, really? I had no idea sixteenth century Italian women were quite so...ummm...accommodating. :wow:

Thanks again everyone.:l

[john doe]

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When I say Etizlam's a short haflife I mean as a benzo. It should keep you over for 8 hours if you lucky. It works differently than Zolpidem. The fact that Zolpiem is only getting you over for 3-4 hours I'd say you have proper insomnia. Zolp puts me out for way longer. The short halflife should still knock you out for 8 hours with Zolpidem. Diazepam halflife is 120 hours but I'm sure you know it doesn't keep you out for a few days.

You should have trouble getting it Mirtazapine. Everyone one I knows on it. NHS don't like to script benzo's these days and Mirtazapine is what you might end up with.

If all the above don't work diphenhydramine and melatolin and stuff I wouldn't have thought would touch the sides. Trazadone might work also.

[spacebebe01]

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I forgot all about mirtazapine IYLL, I used to take it years ago and it worked a treat at getting me a full nights sleep. Its not given out here really for insomnia so you wouldnt be expected to do the whole 5 years cbt thing while waiting for some sleep as they expect you to on the nhs, but I wouldnt tell them thats the only reason you want it, because that would be letting the doctor in to give you the whole sleep hygeine not meds talk that you probably dont need to hear again, and its also not an ssri so might not give you the unpleasant effects they give. It does however cause weight gain but there are downsides to most meds that actually do anything and it may be worth a try for you.

By the way I think my smart arsed unhelpful answer to you yesterday jinked me last night I had a bloody awful night and woke about every hour. :upset:so sorry about that

xx

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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I will not be opening any mail from you.

[john doe]

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spacebebe01;1505913 wrote: I forgot all about mirtazapine IYLL, I used to take it years ago and it worked a treat at getting me a full nights sleep. Its not given out here really for insomnia so you wouldnt be expected to do the whole 5 years cbt thing while waiting for some sleep as they expect you to on the nhs, but I wouldnt tell them thats the only reason you want it, because that would be letting the doctor in to give you the whole sleep hygeine not meds talk that you probably dont need to hear again, and its also not an ssri so might not give you the unpleasant effects they give. It does however cause weight gain but there are downsides to most meds that actually do anything and it may be worth a try for you.

By the way I think my smart arsed unhelpful answer to you yesterday jinked me last night I had a bloody awful night and woke about every hour. :upset:so sorry about that

xx

I wouldn't worry about weight gain if your using very small doses and not every day. I've seem people put on serious weight using it but that was high doses used for depression. That's why most girls I know who are on it don't use it. Some doctors must be different as I know a few people who got it off label for insomnia. GPs will script you anything as long as its not benzo's. You'd have a harder time even getting Zolpidem.

[mike7]

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I suggest seroquel. I am on hdb and had the same problem until I read this thread mywayout.org/community/f20/baclofen-insomnia-my-story-53187.html and order it from alldaychemist. I take 50mg and it normally puts me to sleep for 6-8 hours with no side effects.

[Lo0p]

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I, frankly, don't give a shit.

I'm about to start calling you at 2, 3, an 4 in the morning just for kicks. I'm about to try Seroquel, so I'll let you know about that but until then you might want to put your phone on silent, or if it's on vibrate I'd suggest a soft surface like the doggy bed or in between some t-shirts.

[Chief Bromden]

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You'll probably laugh, but in rehab we got the tip of drinking warm milk and honey. I thought it stupid, but gave it a go anyway. I was detoxing from both alcohol and benzos.

It worked like a charm.

[john doe]

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Seroquel will do the job also although makes a bit loopy the next.

[chaos]

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ifulovelife2;1505871 wrote: Hopefully Mirtazepine doesn't cause the ghastly S.E.s other Ads do, specifically SSRIs.

In fact it doesn't with the exeption of sometimes irresistable food craving, but no sexual SE whatsoever. As a matter of fact fantastic AD at higher doses. Unfortunately Remeron tends to poop-out as AD in a few monts fairly often, yet could do wonders for insomnia in a long run.

All of the above based on my own experience and 'crazy boards' research.