France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

[And]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

Is_there_any_hope ?;1598689 wrote: Recently any time I click on the link of LoOp's forum, some online pharma/s sites keep popping up...ho hum

Don't forget to do some screenshots to prove your bullshit, troll. Been there couple of times, nothing popped up. Could it be we are in alternative realities? Yes. I'm about to buy 25mg x 50 pills for exactly 2 USD. Gosh, no wonder some will do anything for that kind of cash.

[Is_there_any_hope ?]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

Watch your language skury..synu!

[Is_there_any_hope ?]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

And;1598695 wrote: Don't forget to do some screenshots to prove your bullshit, troll. Been there couple of times, nothing popped up. Could it be we are in alternative realities?

Open google search engine, type: baclofen for alcoholism (with space in between words, exactly as I have typed)...once you see...Baclofen for Alcoholism and Other Addictions and below: baclofenforalcoholism.com link...just click on any of them!

[Mandiekinz]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

Perhaps he pulled some voodoo computer wiz powers and redirects his IP address to elsewhere.

[Lo0p]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

@ Alky

I can't exactly remember what your name was on our forums but I'd know it if I saw it. And I went through all the registrations since early July and you are just not there! :question2:

Go ahead and re-register I guess. This hasn't happened before that I know of. :thanks:

edit: Nevermind, obviously you are registered if it's telling you you've got a bad password. Just email me your name and I'll take care of it.

[Lo0p]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

@ Alky

I did a search for your email and you are, in fact, not registered. Bizarre glitch I think. Just re-register.

@ Federico

I'm going to shoot you an email

edit: I sent it to your myshining address. It's the one I have on file from when you registered back in May, 11 days after the forum came online. Hopefully that email address is still valid for you, if not just let me know.

[JDizzle]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

Maybe they went to baclofenforalcoholism.com and not BaclofenForAlcoholism.com

[Otter]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

Is_there_any_hope ?;1599376 wrote: And who are 'they', JD ?

I set up a forum a few years ago called baclofenuk.com to post the articles and papers which were coming up on this forum so we didn't have to look for them.

Earlier this year Lo0p set up the baclofenforalcoholism forum for much the same reason and also to be a chat board. I also set up a wordpress site with a similar name because the uk site was on a host which I don't like and wordpress is better. I was then appointed as a moderator on Lo0p's site.

Recently my uk site was suspended because their systems seem to think it is a "phishing" site. I have had that before and they look into it and decide it isn't and then reopen it. But, the site hosts have annoyed me so I am not going to bother keeping it open as all the info on it is on Lo0ps site and on my wordpress, as well as here and on other sites like Phill's (eeek, horror) so I don't see the need for lots of different sites.

I haven't been active because we have moved to Cyprus and things are really great.

The UK NICE (National Instituted for Clinical Excellence) is going to publish guidelines on the use of Baclofen next November or so. They have decided to do it at the same time they look at Nalfamene. They compile and report "best evidence" for the use of off licence medications, so, I don't think there is much more that can be done in terms of getting the medical profession up to speed with this treatment, in terms of government involvement and since I don't live there anymore, my attitude towards the UK is, well, frankly, I don't give a...

The French doctors are publishing their prescribing guide in a peer reviewed journal next May, in English, so that may also help spread the word.

Here, in Cyprus you can get baclofen in any pharmacy with no prescription and you can walk into a new $500,000 university hospital and they will show you to a real live surgeon, or whatever you want, for which you pay about $50 for a medical procedure the same day. As opposed to getting raked over the coals and screwed over if you use or want to use bacloen in the UK and if you want to see a surgeon you have to wait a year.

So, it's a non issue here...which is why it is a bit quiet.

[And]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

I thought the UK is further advanced, since I found Bac in those guidelines (top document):

The British Association for Psychopharmacology | Documents | BAP Consensus Guidelines

Would you happen to know if they are only an expert body, or are their guidelines "binding" in any way?

[JDizzle]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

I would be afraid to go into a $500,000 hospital. Is it between a pawn shop and a check cashing place?

I would assume (complete guess) a hospital here is at least 50 million. I suspect I am incredibly low on that number for a small hospital.

[JDizzle]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

I googled it. Small hospital building is 12 million and that's with no equipment at all.

[Cassander]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

Otter;1599562 wrote: ...
I haven't been active because we have moved to Cyprus and things are really great. ...

Hello, Otter...so glad to hear that things are good in Cyprus. Best, Cass

[Otter]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

JDizzle;1599579 wrote: I would be afraid to go into a $500,000 hospital. Is it between a pawn shop and a check cashing place?

I would assume (complete guess) a hospital here is at least 50 million. I suspect I am incredibly low on that number for a small hospital.

Don't quote me on the cost of the building. I read it somewhere: Near East University Hospital - About Us

[Otter]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

And;1599571 wrote: I thought the UK is further advanced, since I found Bac in those guidelines (top document):

The British Association for Psychopharmacology | Documents | BAP Consensus Guidelines

Would you happen to know if they are only an expert body, or are their guidelines "binding" in any way?

The UK is not far advanced at all. The association you mention is just an association which has members who pay a subscription and get a magazine once a month. It has no official status. The reason you found a mention of baclofen is that Dr. Linford-Hughes is a professor at the Imperial College at the University of London where she works with David Nutt in the Neurology department. Dr. Nutt and Dr. Jonathan Chick co-athored a paper on various drugs including baclofen but suggesting baclofen was a good treatment for alcohol. Dr. Lingford-Hughes is also interested in baclofen and, I am reliably informed, tried to get funding for a trial of baclofen. None of this has had any effect on the medical profession here. NICE are now going to look at baclofen and may publish some guidance on it in a year's time. NICE are the people doctors look to for guidance, not the associations.

When I said that the UK isn't a nice place to get treatment I was referring to the fact that you have to get a referral from your doctor, which they don't have to do, since they are given budgets and have to pay for referrals to hospitals. Then, when you get a referral, you have to wait months to see someone and they may not want to do anything. I went in to an NHS hospital with a glass splinter which was deep inside my finger. They xrayed it, found it and then refused to do anything about it. When I moved to Cyprus I went in to a hospital and a nurse just got out a needle and got it out. That was five years after I first got it and I paid the equivalent of $20.

Added to that is the fact that UK hospitals are old and dirty: 710,000 patients a year infected on dirty NHS wards | Mail Online

Here's one, and in front is an open sewer which they refer to as the "Cut": http://s0.geograph.org.uk/photos/10/...3_72c1a686.jpg

Anyway, I have said this before, I am no admirer of the UK medial profession as they all get paid by the government, do their MD degrees straight from school...and I don't live there anymore.

[Otter]

France: Baclofen authorized as a medication against alcoholism

Cassander;1599762 wrote: Hello, Otter...so glad to hear that things are good in Cyprus. Best, Cass

Thanks Cass, I had my birthday dinner at a nice fish restaurant today. Sunny, blue skies and no problems.

Best