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    Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

    Just thought I'd make a quick post to say I'm finally starting on the liquid kindly provided by Loop tomorrow.

    I had a nice chat with Evan just now and both of us couldn't believe that my order arrived this morning (midday). It was posted on the 30th of July and winged its way from the US... through customs to an English hub and onto Belfast in more or less under 3 days:goodjob:

    I didn't even think that was possible? Food for thought for most of us who threat about waiting on our Baclofen.

    I also saved myself a fair amount compared to what Goldpharma would have charged for the equivalent amount. I've previously been using ALIUD on and off since May. (Used to post under John Doe.. long story)

    I just wanted to thank Evan for the service he's providing and long may it continue. He's doing an amazing thing. I hope more users switch over.
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    Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

    What's the difference between liquid and pills?

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      Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

      And... who is Evan?? : )

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        Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

        Sorry for the confusion. Evan is Loop who posts on here. From what I read from previous users the liquid tends to have a lot less SEs. With pills, personally after around 150mg+ I could really feel the SEs. Could have been binders, who knows. I can't wait to get stuck in tomorrow.

        I sure there's some older heads on here who will vouch for him.

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          Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

          Liquid baclofen is much better than pills, in my experience.

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            Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

            Amazing that it reached you so quickly. If anyone wants to contactnLo0p, I'm pretty sure you can find a way on one of his posts. And just BTW, if any newcomers have missed his "graph of my drinking," it's well worth a gander.

            thomas, if you are out of pills, disregard this suggestion; otherwise, you might take a day or 2 or 3 to alternate between the liquid and the pills. I don't think you would have any problem, if this isn't possible, but it might add to smooth sailing AND you might discover some info worth sharing re the difference, if any - or none - between the 2, for you.
            "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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              Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

              I've also heard that you can find him on this site called baclofenforalcoholism.com. Not sure what's up with that site but you might check and see.

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                Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

                RedThread12;1539456 wrote:

                thomas, if you are out of pills, disregard this suggestion; otherwise, you might take a day or 2 or 3 to alternate between the liquid and the pills. I don't think you would have any problem, if this isn't possible, but it might add to smooth sailing AND you might discover some info worth sharing re the difference, if any - or none - between the 2, for you.
                I'm currently on 60mg (30/30) split Red and took the pills yesterday but couldn't resist and had a small dose of liquid last night (just 20) I think I might be ok switching straight over as my dose is so low. I've been as high as 300 which turned into as disaster but that's an other story. My pills will become my fall back source from here on in.

                Regarding Loop...

                Yeah he's over on baclofenforalcoholism.com which is still in its infancy but you can always PM him here. The speed of delivery was probably the main reason why I posted. Evan rang me when I emailed him as soon as my order arrived (I don't think he sleeps) as he couldn't believe it himself. But its good to know as anyone who is not scripted Bac even if you have a good supply, is always anxious when waiting on a delivery.

                I also had terrible trouble with nausea when getting into the high does with the pills. Now it could have been just an SE from going up to quick but binders could also have played a part.

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                  Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

                  I too have been using the liquid bac for a little over a month now. I definately feel I have less SE's than I heard from others. I sleep like a rock, although I do notice that my motivation to work out has diminished ( I hope this changes) My drinking has slowed down looking forward to total indifference to it. One thing I've noticed is that when I do drink it seems to affect me faster then I just want to go to sleep except for the other night when I overdrank then woke up at 4 am and felt really weird my hands were tingly and zingy and I kept feeling like I needed to take deep breaths. So with that I am controlling the amount I will have at a sitting. I get a little dizzy when I first take it but not for long. Right now I am at 60 mg broken into 3x daily, every friday I go up a little. I am afraid of SE's so I am going slowly. I don't care how long it takes as long as it works! Good Luck and a great Thanks to Lo0p!

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                    Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

                    Oh yes I forgot I also take B complex for energy and magnesium for muscle cramps in calves. They help.

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                      Starting on liquid tomorrow thanks to Loop

                      B complex completely sorted out my RLS.

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                        #12
                        Just thought i would post this because I came across both of these forum postings about Loop at the same time -


                        http://www.thesinclairmethod.net/community/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3654



                        According to this posting, Loop had passed away...
                        Linda,
                        Author
                        A Prescription for Alcoholics
                        http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01A1E8YKW

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                          Good post Cure. Thanks.

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                            Originally posted by cureforalcoholics View Post
                            Just thought i would post this because I came across both of these forum postings about Loop at the same time -


                            http://www.thesinclairmethod.net/community/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=3654



                            According to this posting, Loop had passed away...
                            I'm not sure why you've brought this up - here, now - or why the village idiot thinks that it's a good post... but it leaves a real bad taste in my mouth, and it's a good example of why I don't like to post here anymore.

                            Here's the last thing I remember Evan saying about naltrexone, TSM, and Eskapa:

                            From https://www.mywayout.org/community/sh...=1#post1352303 :

                            Originally posted by Lo0p View Post
                            UKBlonde will confirm this.

                            Dr. Eskapa's book to the layman is an egregious lie. The success rates he quotes are totally false and he instills a degree of confidence in the reader that is just plain stupid.

                            To me, or any real scientist, the book is a sham. The way he cherry picks little tiny parts of many, many studies to come up with a supposedly defensible conclusion is, frankly, bullshit. I read the long form of every single study he quoted in the book (except maybe two that I couldn't get). His misrepresentations, exaggerations and other shenanigans that he pulled are so unscientific and that, combined with the fact that he knows it makes him a liar.

                            His doctorate is bought from some online bullshit academy as well.

                            All that being said, TSM is real, there is no doubt. I have friends who owe their lives to it. But ironically (as I've stated before) The Cure For Alcoholism by Dr Roy Eskapa is almost a must read for someone who decides to undergo the treatment. :H It is a very good description of the principles and process.

                            There are only 2 (two) studies that show a positive effect of targeted naltrexone. One of them was done with a person who could have biased the results, Dr. Sinclair himself. Both were done with people who drank less or far less than an average of 35 UK units a week. Which is literally like 20 drinks. The backwards logic he used with every other study he cited (trying to show that people who disobeyed instructions and sampled alcohol/heroin while on naltrexone) was clever but if you actually look at all of them, the actual instances are so scant and full of contradictions that it again, rises beyond the level of unscientific and is a lie.
                            I have taken both naltrexone and nalmefene, though I did not practice TSM with either. While I don't have any empirical evidence that they impacted my alcohol abuse in a positive way, I do not discount the notion that they may be able to help others.

                            -tk
                            TerryK celebrates 6 years of sobriety and indifference to alcohol thanks to baclofen

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                              WTF ? Cure started a website due to a family member with alcohol problems. The post was in the spirit of promoting awareness of naltrexone, nothing more.

                              Anyone facing this problem of over drinking has a myriad of options. There is no compelling argument that any medication or method is superior to any other. If there was, we'd all be doing it.

                              Naltrexone worked staggeringly well for me, is it perfect, no, is it controversial, yes: but it's completely my choice to do it.

                              Most people on these forums seem very highly educated, and very invested in getting their problem fixed. Why trash and dis methods others find successful. Any and all studies have to be interpreted for what they are, and everyone has to make their own decision as to what they mean

                              The highly vocal proponents of baclofen, LOOP and Dr. Oliver, are both dead. Granted, they both had a serious problem with alcohol, but both apparently persisted in taking high-dose Baclofen. I am not aware of any deaths associated with naltrexone. Generally speaking, once control occurs with Naltrexone , it's ONLY taken if drinking, and for most, that is very infrequently.
                              Last edited by guapo; November 30, 2014, 09:38 PM.

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