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    #61
    Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

    It sound as though he helped a lot of people. It's a bummer that the only Yelp commentary is negative on this very topic. I think there are important follow up questions that some asked before so that we can adequately manage our illness. I'm wondering if, with a court case, exchange of advice should be on the boards.

    Maybe I'm just being too cautious? I''ll stop after venturing this. Also, if not here, then where, especially for the neophytes who needs solutions? There needs to be a movement. Unfortunately, it requires coming out of the closet. I'm not there yet. I'm just figuring out the bac part, and I have been a member of the community since 2007, just not successful until recently despite horrible SEs. That's a very sad thought for me. It's a horrible thought that all possibility of change could be lost. OK, so bac has me trend negative and morose. I have no idea if my total apocalyptic thinking of options shutting down is illogical or not.

    Grrr, the NSA, the MAN, and professional regulation, which is totally necessary, I get it, and not to disparage Dr. OA and Dr. L's collective profession. I know that HIV positive survivors from the 80's and 90's, as few as they are, know what we are talking about. A lot of them had to fend for themselves off the grid until general practice took caught up. I witnessed much of that and helped. I get helpless for myself though. It's a weird thing when going to the corner liquor store is easier than doing what you have to do to take care of yourself, your family and others, by law!
    Shiney!

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      #62
      Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

      zone;1545466 wrote:

      BTW, AFAIK Dr Ameisen never practiced medicine after he went on HDB. He gave a few lectures on alcoholism and bac, but that's it. He tried being an adviser in the Dutch study, but was kicked off for being an annoying aHole.
      onequart;1472846 wrote:
      Edit: The Dutch study has dissociated itself from Dr. Ameisen. Apparently they thought he was too big an Ahole
      (paraphrasing here).

      RedThread12;1545486 wrote:
      Are you an alcoholic, Zone? Are you looking for a way out? Do you have something to teach us? What IS your point?
      Zone aka onequart aka BillF aka arsenic aka dustbin posts on MWO for the sole purpose of disparaging and denigrating baclofen therapy and anyone and everyone involved with it including those using it. He(?) was banned as dustbin and then arsenic one night for taunting another MWO member with the threat of revealing that user's personal information (identity, address) that was discovered elsewhere on the internet. I witnessed this event personally. He(?) has intimated that he is an alcoholic that hasn't had a drink in over two years.

      This typifies his interaction here:

      BillF;1368807 wrote:
      The way HDB is right now, there is no way to test it. The method says there is no upper limit as long as you go up "slowly". At some point you will be psychotic and/or retching your guts out (thus dropping out due to side-effects), or so stoned that you won't drink, or eat, or work. BUT, you won't be craving alcohol.

      Thus, the success rate (discounting the weakling drop-outs) will always be 100%.
      And here is what I consider proof, some simple semantic analysis shows this dufus changes usersnames, but uses the same figures of speech, syntax and punctuation (to rant about the same things):

      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1542179

      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1466283

      https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ml#post1297583

      -tk
      TerryK celebrates 6 years of sobriety and indifference to alcohol thanks to baclofen

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        #63
        Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

        Just want to post a quick thank you, terryk, for the links you've posted, here and elsewhere, regarding zone/dustbin/onequart/etc.

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          #64
          Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

          I really admire the way you guys are handling this and for your tenacity and bravery in this whole therapy. Also the vigilance in tracing the naysayers. I hope this gets resolved so more people can be saved from death by the bottle

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            #65
            Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

            It is time too move past all this -seriously. Dr. L may be out of business. This can be very disturbing news -I know. However, there are other legitimate ways of obtaining and using baclofen. The initial dollar outlay may be much higher than you expect -but so will the results.
            If you are a true -no where out to go -alcoholic, and want a miracle, Baclofen is your only true way out -if you want a true way out. Results may be different if you are only interested in trying to control your intake -guess you have to decide. Dr. A never promoted Baclofen as a way to continue drinking; he only said that it could be safe if you did so occasionally.

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              #66
              Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

              StuckinLA;1545697 wrote: Just want to post a quick thank you, terryk, for the links you've posted, here and elsewhere, regarding zone/dustbin/onequart/etc.
              Ditto this and treetops' post. I got pretty stressed out and did not process at all that this was a possibility. I took it as a warning and worried thinking I'd be getting doctors and providers in trouble. OK, so I need to do some cognitive-behavioral intervention with my thought trajectory. Hopefully, CBT & Baclofen will get me there. Floored by three identities. Truly too much time. Back to reading real content posts. :goodjob::thanks:
              Shiney!

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                #67
                Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                Rite,
                CBT and baclofen sound like a fantastic combination. Good luck!

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                  #68
                  Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                  This is all just so, so, so sad.

                  It's affected me profoundly. It's even infused my dreams: earlier this week I dreamed I went to Chicago to see him in person. I told him he was a hero and thanked him from the bottom of my heart.

                  He sacrificed his career for us. He didn't ask for much money. Sure, he could be difficult at times, but he believed so strongly in the medication that he was willing to go out on a limb to help alcoholics. He was so kind. I know that what he was doing was legally questionable, but he was a believer. I give him full credit for saving my life back in late 2010 when I was hopeless and lost. I am so sad he can't continue helping more lost souls who need his help.

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                    #69
                    Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                    Well spoken and researched terryk. The harm brought by just one can have a tremendous impact. However, they can not defeat truth -especially in the long run. Many of these types enjoy and thrive on what they are doing -regardless of their damage.

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                      #70
                      Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                      Ah, what an occasion for a first post. The first version of this got eaten, presumably as a result of being timed out, so bear with me while I try to reconstruct it.

                      This comes at a particularly inopportune time for me, as I had just hit upon a dosing schedule that worked.* I have the advantage of being in Chicago and had been seeing Dr. Levin for office visits every eight weeks since late January. (I can confirm that he didn't seem to be keeping records.) When it clicked, the effect was sudden and dramatic: I went from 15 ? 3 drinks per day to 3.9 the next day, 1.3 the day after that, and zero for the next eight days, the last being today. And I have about 12 days' worth of baclofen remaining.

                      I called Dr. Levin on the 16th and asked whether he'd be available for a call the evening of Friday the 17th to discuss the progress and schedule another office visit, and he said fine; when I called, the phone was busy until 8:45 and there was no answer afterward. I think I called the office Sunday to leave a message and received the announcement that he would be unavailable and would have two people covering for him. The relevant one is out of town until the 25th, but I left a message with him, and we'll see what happens. In the meantime, if somebody could drop me a PM regarding the liquid form or which pharmacies have the speediest delivery, it would be much appreciated. I've read that thread in the past, but I don't know that I can sift all the way through it tonight.

                      * 20 mg upon waking, then 20 mg half an hour later and 20 mg every hour until side effects are noticed; this is usually after around six hours. After that, 20 mg every two or three hours, or whenever I remember that there's still beer in the fridge. It's been a remarkably smooth ride. Looking back on my records, the dosing seems to have gotten quite erratic; once it became clear that four large doses a day were more than I could handle, Dr. Levin OK'd spreading it out, but it just became unstructured.

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                        #71
                        Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                        OK, I've spoken with Dr. Levin. For anyone who had actually been seeing him in Chicago, he believes that the two physicians given in the message on his office answering machine would be willing to continue treatment. He himself is retiring.

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                          #72
                          Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                          It's true his license is suspended. And I just learned that dr levin is dead - what else?

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                            #73
                            Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                            thernand20;1570610 wrote: It's true his license is suspended. And I just learned that dr levin is dead - what else?
                            I think you mixed up two people and believe you meant Dr. Ameisen is dead.
                            As far as I know, Dr. Levin is still alive.
                            Today is the first day of the rest of my life.

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                              #74
                              Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                              Dr L couldn't help me or answer questions. are you sure he has passion for helping ppl with addiction or is it cuz he got in trouble he couldn't talk to me ? I feel he wanted to help me but couldn't. I am glad he's tried. Probably a good man

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                                #75
                                Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                                Quoted from Otto's post above:

                                OK, I've spoken with Dr. Levin. For anyone who had actually been seeing him in Chicago, he believes that the two physicians given in the message on his office answering machine would be willing to continue treatment. He himself is retiring.
                                I was wondering if anyone has received any assistance from either of these two individuals. If so could you please fill me in?

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