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    #46
    Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

    Far be it from me to suggest to any of us what to do, but if Levin is headed to court and/or has been charged with a crime, IMO think we should collectively respect his space and lay off the phone calls. He's made it clear his hands are now tied, and undoubtedly he's got enough on his plate dealing with his legal troubles. Just my $.02.
    In the middle of my life's journey, I found myself in a dark wood, as I had lost the straight path. It is a difficult thing to speak about, how wild, harsh and impenetrable that wood is. Just thinking about it recreates the fear. It is scarcely less bitter than death, but in order to tell of the good that I found there, I must tell of the other things I saw there. --Dante, paraphrased

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      #47
      Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

      chigg;1545266 wrote: Court? I didn't realize there were actually formal charges. Anyone know what they are?
      According to public records,his medical license is suspended "for unprofessional conduct, improper prescribing of controlled substances and failure to establish and maintain medical records".

      A summary suspension pending a hearing means the medical board considers him to be an immediate danger to the public.

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        #48
        Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

        Alky: I had no idea it was that serious...positive thoughts his way.

        Man: Thanks for the welcome. I had an addiction doc managing my meds here in Utah, and he prescribed me up to 120 mg/day for three months. I had never tried this drug before, and within a week I was more confident and happy than I've ever been in my 31 years on this rock. I no longer craved alcohol, opiates, cocaine, meth, and anything I'd ever been hooked on for the past 13 years. When my doc saw this happening, he thought it was too good to be true and cut me off, labeling it as a "dangerous mania." I'm aching to get back on it. Overseas is my best bet now.

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          #49
          Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

          Truly that is a very strange reaction for a doctor to have. I wonder what he hoped would happen when he prescribed it?

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            #50
            Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

            That's exactly what I've been wondering. I know a few of his other patients that were prescribed baclofen as well, but none of them had the same strong reaction like I did. I'm pretty sure I was his guinea pig for getting prescribed anything over 60 mg/day. When it appeared to him that I was "going too fast," I think he got nervous that I was OD'ng and wanted to cover his ass if I ended up in the ER or something.

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              #51
              Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

              I agree with Allcy, so I guess that we are up to $.04 now. Dr. L certainly helped me, and I was going to call him last week when this information broke, however I have decided to let him concentrate on his own situation now.

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                #52
                Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                .06c

                I heard about this very early on and wrote the man an appreciative letter with a check for the last session we had regarding baclofen. I received the letter back yesterday with a "return to sender" label. He needs time for himself now, it's very clear.

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                  #53
                  Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                  zone;1545269 wrote: According to public records,his medical license is suspended "for unprofessional conduct, improper prescribing of controlled substances and failure to establish and maintain medical records".

                  A summary suspension pending a hearing means the medical board considers him to be an immediate danger to the public.
                  Is his license suspended? I haven't spoken to him personally, but my understanding is he could still prescribe in Illinois. No?
                  This Princess Saved Herself

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                    #54
                    Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                    redhead77;1545339 wrote: Is his license suspended? I haven't spoken to him personally, but my understanding is he could still prescribe in Illinois. No?
                    No, he can't work as a doctor at all. The suspension is recorded on the Illinois licensing site.

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                      #55
                      Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                      It's unfortunate that helping so many of us is what got Dr. L. into trouble. If you've read Dr. Ameisen's book, remember he was terrified of publishing his report because A. he would now be publicly and widely known as an alcoholic doctor, and B. it would be publicly and widely known that he experimented on himself. There were calls from some quarters that Dr. Ameisen's medical credentials be stripped, especially because of the latter. I haven't seen a clearer demonstration that sometimes there is a gray area in a long time. You have to have laws and regulations to protect the public, but what is the appropriate reaction when helping people run afoul of those laws? Again, if you've read the book, remember when Dr. A. had to check in at random intervals with New York authorities and take a urine test to show he had not taken the valium which had been prescribed to him for his anxiety? When Dr. A.'s doctor tried to plead his case with those authorities, they then threatened to come down on her. I wouldn't want to receive open heart surgery from a doctor on valium, but then again Dr. A. wasn't practicing. Again, doesn't seem quite right, does it? But rules is rules...
                      In the middle of my life's journey, I found myself in a dark wood, as I had lost the straight path. It is a difficult thing to speak about, how wild, harsh and impenetrable that wood is. Just thinking about it recreates the fear. It is scarcely less bitter than death, but in order to tell of the good that I found there, I must tell of the other things I saw there. --Dante, paraphrased

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                        #56
                        Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                        I looked it up as well. It is suspended by Illinois, so I presume he can't practice in illinois either. Look it up on idfpr.com.

                        So so sad.
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                          #57
                          Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                          I am going to give this thread a rest. Poor Dr. L.: a lifetime of trying to help people, and to go out this way.

                          A few facts here:

                          Prescribing over the phone, and to another state, is legal. What is frowned upon is treating people you have never met and have no doctor-patient relationship and documented.

                          It should have been obvious that Dr. L. has no clue about baclofen when he insists that the success rate is 95% (or whatever) with no side effects. Some of the people here were just using him as a pill-pusher.

                          He was trying to prescribe Xanax over the phone out-of-state. Most pharmacies would reject that out-of-hand and report the attempt.

                          I feel badly for him, but he is not likely to get his medical license back. He sounds addled (?Alzheimer's) and exploited by a few sharpies.

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                            #58
                            Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                            Dr. Levin prescribed 300 mg/day for me, over two years ago. I've NEVER taken 300 mg of baclfoen in a day a day (well, only by BIG mistake). When I went out of the country and asked for a 90 day supply, there was no hesitation. Then the pharmacy got confused, and for several months, I picked up a 90 day script for 300 mg/day every month. Until I was swimming in baclofen, and, frankly, realized I far prefer liquid bac.

                            I believe that Dr. L., much like Dr. A., decided it was "worth it." Worth the risk to his professional standing to save a lot of lives before he was taken down.

                            I really wonder who brought this to a regulatory agency's attention? And why is he being so severely punished for prescribing a generic medication that, so far, I have not been able to find on any list of "scheduled" drugs, albeit at doses above those recommended by the AMA?

                            THIS is what we are up against, friends. Dr. Ameisen is dead and Dr. Levin is effectively disbarred. We are not in Kansas. We never have been, and we certainly are not, anymore.
                            "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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                              #59
                              Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                              RedThread12;1545463 wrote: Dr. Levin prescribed 300 mg/day for me, over two years ago. I've NEVER taken 300 mg of baclfoen in a day a day (well, only by BIG mistake). When I went out of the country and asked for a 90 day supply, there was no hesitation. Then the pharmacy got confused, and for several months, I picked up a 90 day script for 300 mg/day every month. Until I was swimming in baclofen, and, frankly, realized I far prefer liquid bac.

                              I believe that Dr. L., much like Dr. A., decided it was "worth it." Worth the risk to his professional standing to save a lot of lives before he was taken down.

                              I really wonder who brought this to a regulatory agency's attention? And why is he being so severely punished for prescribing a generic medication that, so far, I have not been able to find on any list of "scheduled" drugs, albeit at doses above those recommended by the AMA?

                              THIS is what we are up against, friends. Dr. Ameisen is dead and Dr. Levin is effectively disbarred. We are not in Kansas. We never have been, and we certainly are not, anymore.
                              You were just using DrL as a "legit" supplier. He wasn't your real doctor.

                              My sister is a pharmacist, and from what she tells me DrL would have been flagged many, many times for the bac prescriptions alone. It is not just the individual pharmacist's discretion, it is corporate policy. Every patient and doc is entered into the corporate database. Eventually, suspicious behavior gets back to the licensing agencies.

                              Then there are the attempts for Xanax. Immediate report.

                              Professional licensing boards don't hand down summary suspensions without really good cause. No need for a tin-foil hat; DrL is losing his license for the usual reasons.

                              BTW, AFAIK Dr Ameisen never practiced medicine after he went on HDB. He gave a few lectures on alcoholism and bac, but that's it. He tried being an adviser in the Dutch study, but was kicked off for being an annoying aHole.

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                                #60
                                Urgent: Dr. Levin can no longer prescribe baclofen

                                So my understanding was wrong, but the outcome is the same. High Dose Baclofen can be - isn't always - but appears to be coming up strongly up along the inside, nearing the third pole, to win the current race to keep dying alcoholics alive.

                                Are you an alcoholic, Zone? Are you looking for a way out? Do you have something to teach us? What IS your point?
                                "Wherever you are is the entry point." --Kabir

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