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[emc]

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Hi Lewis ;-)
Great news!!!
Me too even at similar low dose i was feeling a super antidepressant and anti anxiety effect.

About titrating up or stay on this dose... it's a little bit related to "what are you searching for"...
If you feel ok like that maybe for now is not needed that you continue to titrate up.
Take little time to think about it and if you are positive, propositive and in good mood try maybe to modify a bit some "bad habit" that disturbs you.
Specially because you are young is surely the perfect time to make a "project" for your life and not to waste it like a largely did for many years... sigh ;-)
Continue anyway to be regular with your Bac schedule!

About fears... i would tell you really to don't worry (but anyway how old are you? Do you have a doctor?).
Specially at this dose, Baclofen is largely tested and taken for more than 40 years by people suffering for SM or similar diseases.
It's important anyway to try to don't mix it with too much alcohol and never stop cold turkey.

Would be good if you keep your thread updated with news, even if you decide to stay on this amount...

[Xadrian]

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lewis123;1628385 wrote: Do you think it can be bad for my body to take baclofenn, since i'm still so young? Had some thoughts that maybe taking muscle relaxers for years and years cant be that good? It also relaxes your heart? Can anyone give me some information or thoughts about my "fear"?

I'm feeling good btw, tomorrow i go up to 50mg

Greetz

Lewis,
Baclofen does not relax your heart (smooth muscle), but only the skeleton muscles.

Baclofen is described for decennia to people with muscle spasms, etc. and is found to be a safe dug, even when used for life.

I hope this eliminated some of your concerns.

You know what is bad for your body and mind, especially when you're young?
It's a hard-drug called alcohol.

The choice is yours. I already made mine

[lewis123]

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Hey everyone !! How are u doing?

I'll give u a little update on how i feel ! It's possible that i already said a lot of things but it feels great to share my experience with you!!

First of all I want to thank all of u who've been reading my story and extra thnx to people who reply on my thoughts. I maybe should also do this on other peoples topics here on the forum. I will do this in the future because i feel it's nice when people give reactions.

So here i go again --> i feel super super super good. It's just insane, really insane. Yesterday i've been to the backgammon club, i don't know if u guys know the game but i play this once in a week in the evening. Normally when i go there i drink a couple of glasses wine and beers en than smoke a joint there etc. Yesterday i arrived and one of the guys there gave every one a glass of champagne because it was his birthday. I also took one and i think that after half an hour later my glass was empty. After that i drank 3 soda waters (!!!!), and when the guys went outside to smoke a joint i went with them but i didn't feel like smoking to i didn't ! I went home around 12, took my melatonin en slept like a baby. I had a wonderfull day at work, as i told you already i'm a dentist, i work especially as a children dentist and they also give me some much energy i really had a great day !

But it's just soooooooo insane that i don't think about alcohol and other stuff!!!! Normally the only reason that i go to play backgammon for example is because i know i can drink a lot there. But now i just enjoyed the game, i talked with the people there, i just had a great evening !!

Also normally when i drive home from work in the evening i always used to "search" what i was going to do in the evening (where i would have drinks, texting to people to have drinks somewhere), but now i'm just driving, enjoying the music, thinking about how great me last week was, thinking about what i'm can do in the weekend like learning a new sport, finding a new hobby.

Guys it may sound weard but it's like i am reborn. Do u understand that i have the feeling "how would my life have been if i would known baclofen since i was 18 instead of now (25)". I suddenly feel really sorry for what i did to my ex girlfriend and ex friends etc. I've always been the drunk guy, the crazy one, the one who could not stop drinking when he started, the one who always needed some drugs when he went out, the one who screamed at his girlfriend, the one who cheated on every girlfriend, the one who let so many friends down. But hey they always say it's never to late to change, i really hope the change is now.

I also feel that this is soooooo different now !!!! This is a cure !!!!! This is not a temporary solution !!! I know i tried sooooo many things, but this is so different and u know why? because i don't "feel" something. It's nog like taking ritalin or concerta or strattera, than i starting to feel calm and that changes my personality but not in a positive way, those kind of medication makes of me a different person, a person who's not me !!!!!

And when i took antabuse for 3 months, these were the worst 3 months off my life i think !!! I wanted to drink sooooo hard but i just couldn't. The only persons who were happy than were my parents en exgf but they didn't understand that i really had a problem in my brains !!!! Do u understand what i mean? Now i feel so great, i feel this is the thing i've been waiting on for the last 10 years.

Normally i've always been looking for something, something that gave me a feeling that u can't get naturally. Alcohol, weed, cocaine, sleeping pills, ... But now i found something different, something that really takes the craving away without any SE (so far, i know i can get them later but i don't feel anything now so that's cool ! ).

One thing i want to share with you and maybe you can give me some advice? I have a problem --> I've been together with my gf now for 1,5y. And suddenly i have the feeling that for me she was also part of my addiction. Because i could NEVER be alone, i was always drinking and smoking and when i felt alone en hangover or depressed i did things with my gf. BUT we have a great "relationship", we never argue, we never had i fight, she really understands me. But now i have the feeling that she is just a friend
for me. Since the baclofen i just want to live my life, i wanna do the things i always wanted to do, i wanna travel, i wanna read books, i wanne play new sports, but i don't think i need a girlfriend anymore :s Maybe i better tell here the truth? And tell here that i think i need time for my own? But it's so hard because she ALWAYS supported me with my alcohol problem en everything..

Ok? but i'm gonna stop writing now!

Last thing i wanted to say is if i could sign a contract that i if i would live 10y less when i take baclofen i would insta sign it. I just don't care about being the drunk guy anymore.

I also realise that i'm maybe to euphoric now, that i will maybe will feel SE, that maybe the dose it to low, but i don't care. I'm feeling great now and that's what counts and i see what happens in the future ! I also want to say that there is no way to say that u can be addicted to baclofen!!!! It is really a cure!

Have a really nice evening.

Lewis

[lewis123]

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Question:

i just read the "alcoholism is a complex disease topic" https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ase-90130.html

They describe the feeling i have in there like "Is true that there are people (often young) that take it thinking like it was just another drug that, in place of making you feel happy or stronger or whatever else, has the effect of no making you drink anymore!" --> what is the problem with that??

"I think its simply for this reason that a lot of people that take Baclofen (including me) became so enthousiastic.
I feel that something has been hidden to me and that if i only knew it before! " What's the problem with being enthousaistic? What has been hidden? What would u knew before?

"anyone who takes baclofen also needs to realise that this is a serious medication, there are side effects, abrupt withdraw can cause seizures and needs to be weened off carefully. i dont like being on baclofen because of this and the side effects but its the only way i could stop drinking." --> Why doenst he like baclofen?



So i don't get a few things..? Maybe because it's i don't get the message in english very well..? But am i doing something wrong? Why are they talking about young people on the forum who think baclofen is a magic pil? Because so far it is to me..? What do i have to worrie about?

I exercise everyday, i eat superhealthy, i don't go out anymore, i sleep 8 hours every night, i'm aware side effects can come up later, .....

Thank you for the replies on this

[Xadrian]

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Lewis, I'm glad you feel great or even more than that.

That will wear off and after that you will feel just normal.

About your girlfriend, I just want to advise you to give it some time, think a lot and try to find out how you really feel about her and you both.
Don't make rash decisions.

For the rest, it's your life and you're still young.

Success!

[kronkcarr]

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Lewis,

It's so good to read your posts! I'm as happy for you as I was for me! You sound great. The feeling you have was so great, fabulous and fantastic when I had it. As X says it doesn't last. After that feeling I went through a phase of being unmotivated. Now I get those initial feelings here and there. Last night I stepped outside and looked at the moon and stars and was overcome with gratitude tone alive and really living my life. Isn't it amazing to not obsess over alcohol?

I agree with X about your gf. Let it sit for now.

About that other post: some people abuse baclofen to have the feelings you describe. I don't think you're doing anything wrong or have anything to worry about.

[lewis123]

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Thank u for the reply !!

Indeed the feeling i have now is great!! But i didn't knew it before i started taking baclofen so i don't take it for that reason. The only reason hi take baclofen is because the rest of the therapy's totaly didn't work out for me.

I'll keep giving some updates here. Reactions on my previous posts are always welcome !

Btw: 1 side effect i maybe have is that sometimes my muscles on my upper leg start to contract for like 30 seconds. I don't know if it's because of baclo, but it doesnt bother me, it's twice a day or something. One thing i also experience is that in the evening i'm always very clear and awake, but i think that's just because i'm not drunk or stoned

[emc]

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hey lewis,
first of is really good that you feel so well!
Agree with Xadrian that the "normal" will be back, it's probably a "high" period of the therapy that often happens, nothing wrong on this.
Keep going... and probably is good to stay on this dose if you are ok, no ES and already see some difference in the relation both with alcohol and joint... cool ;-)
And then smth about your questions.

lewis123;1628866 wrote: Question:
i just read the "alcoholism is a complex disease topic" https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ase-90130.html
They describe the feeling i have in there like "Is true that there are people (often young) that take it thinking like it was just another drug that, in place of making you feel happy or stronger or whatever else, has the effect of no making you drink anymore!" --> what is the problem with that??
"I think its simply for this reason that a lot of people that take Baclofen (including me) became so enthousiastic.
I feel that something has been hidden to me and that if i only knew it before! " What's the problem with being enthousaistic? What has been hidden? What would u knew before?

Is not at all you that i had in mind when i said this things but many others young guy/girls (in another forum not here) that took Baclofen in a really "wrong" way in the middle of a context that has nothing to do with a "cure"... in a completely not serious and responsible way. Simply this.
And... sure nothing bad to be enthousiastic! i said that me too i am of this therapy.
The hidden thing, means that if i knew before that Baclofen exists and if i would take it 10 years ago (together with Dr Ameisen ;-) i would probably made so many other things in my life!
That's all, hope you understand it better now.

[lewis123]

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emc;1628923 wrote: hey lewis,
first of is really good that you feel so well!
Agree with Xadrian that the "normal" will be back, it's probably a "high" period of the therapy that often happens, nothing wrong on this.
Keep going... and probably is good to stay on this dose if you are ok, no ES and already see some difference in the relation both with alcohol and joint... cool ;-)
And then smth about your questions.

Is not at all you that i had in mind when i said this things but many others young guy/girls (in another forum not here) that took Baclofen in a really "wrong" way in the middle of a context that has nothing to do with a "cure"... in a completely not serious and responsible way. Simply this.
And... sure nothing bad to be enthousiastic! i said that me too i am of this therapy.
The hidden thing, means that if i knew before that Baclofen exists and if i would take it 10 years ago (together with Dr Ameisen ;-) i would probably made so many other things in my life!
That's all, hope you understand it better now.

Now i see Thank you.

Good night everyone !

[lewis123]

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Hey Everyone!!

Yesterday i had my housewarming party, their were 40 friends who showed up, there was a lot of booze, it was a really great party AND i didnt drink 1 glass. It's amazing because i had a great time!!! When i used to quit alcohol all the previous times i had to force myself not to drink, now i just didnt want to drink, totally not interested in!! After the party everyone want went out in the city and i just cleaned everything up and went to sleep. Normally this would be a tipical evening to drink a lot, do cocaine for 100% sure etc.

So everything is going great!! Some strange feeling i have is that i cant imagine that i used to be that "stupid" that all these years i drank so much. It's also like a cant remelber that i used to be the person who always was coma drunk. I also have a feeling like oke i'm cured lets not take baclofenn anymore (but i know i have to)!

Btw i'm taking baclofen "myolam", anyone else who takes this one?

Yesterday i did bother me on all the drunk people a bit! But normally i'm like them. But i had feelings like "comon what are u doing to yourself?" But i will never say something about it because i was like them or i am like them withouth baclo.

Btw: my uncle has is own company he makes medecines, it's really huge company. Isnt it possible to make a "new" baclofen? With new pattent? So we can help all the other people who are suffering from addiction?

Lewis

[emc]

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Hi Lewis,
everything seems to be going really well!
Really happy for you.
Passing the test of 40 friends in "housewarming" party it really says something!

This feeling of having loose time that you talk about it i can guarantee that every alcoholic has it. 100%.
We just have to accept it, and look in front of us, trying to "repair" what's possible to repair and to restore/reconstruct our life based on this new sobriety.
Surely is not the easiest part, require time, effort and constant application (for someone even an external help).
Your are young and is really good that you didn't loose so much time and discover this feeling at the age of 25.

About the brand, i imagine you mean "Mylan" otherwise never heard about it...
Not so easy to make a new Baclofen, impossible to patent a drug 2 times when expired! ;-) but ok good that you think about it... and yes! spreading the voice and trying to help others its something that i (and a lot of others) are trying to make (answering to you for example ;-)

As you already know (and you seem to be responsible), keep being really regular taking Baclofen, and always pay attention in case some small craving shows its face... alcohol is a bad beast but hopefully Baclofen exists!

At next!

[lewis123]

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so can someone explain my what the problem is why they don't give baclofen for addictions? I don't really get the point when i read "the patent is expired" "there can't be any money made for the farmacy?

[lewis123]

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What i mean is, if there is no money to be made by baclofen etc. Why not make a new medicin, with the same ingedrients as baclofen, and make a patent for alcoholism? But i can maybe sound unrealistic now it's just a question

[Xadrian]

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lewis123;1629464 wrote: so can someone explain my what the problem is why they don't give baclofen for addictions? I don't really get the point when i read "the patent is expired" "there can't be any money made for the farmacy?

The problem is that it has to be "proven" that baclofen is a good medicine for alhohol addiction.

This can be done by large trials.
Till recently, only small trials existed. Although with good results, they are not considered to be "proof", because the trials were too small.
Because the patent on baclofen was already expired, the pharmaceutical industry was not interested in funding large trials (why spend millions when anyone can make baclofen for a low price? Nothing to gain from it).

So far, already a large French trial has been published and some more are on the way (a/o a private funded trial by the University of Amsterdam).
So, slowly things are going to change, albeit only in Western Europe for now.

[skullbabyland]

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Lewis- very happy to hear of how good things are going for you! Regarding the thoughts of going off baclofen- please be advised that many people do this and find that their alcoholism returns quickly, and have to start the process all over again. There may be a time when you can safely and slowly taper down in baclofen but I'd advise doing it much later on when your sobriety is really solid and has a longer time period. That's just my two cents.

So cool about your housewarming party in which you stayed sober! That really shows strength and maturity, and being good to yourself. Well done sir!

EDIT- I would also agree with X- don't decide on anything with your GF just yet-- give a little bit more time-- things may feel less euphoric and more regular/normal soon and it may be better to decide then, after some time has passed and you've had more time to consider things. Just like it's never a good idea to make big life changes when we're very depressed, it's also similarly not a good idea to make big life changes when we're feeling super euphoric (because they can be rash or too quick to decide). Either way, big life changes are best made with a good amount of time to consider everything as best you can.