Why not phenibut?

[Ne/Neva Eva]

oops. I was confused. I looked up the old thread I was thinking about and it was kudzu she was amazed by, at least initially.

She also used L-glut and other holistic approaches, though. (Though, sadly, she didn't get sober.)

https://www.mywayout.org/community/holistic-healing/12815-kudzu-experience-holy-shit.html?highlight=l-glutamine

[neophyte]

Terry's comment is right on the money, avoid phenibut.

[time2quit]

@Neo - I just found this list of Nootropics on website not sure if you've seen it. https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showwi..._of_Nootropics

[neophyte]

Came here to basically say what TerryK said, but of course his answer was better one thing i'll add, I found it had no effect on my cravings for alcohol. The dependence and withdrawal kicks in very quickly if used daily, for me it was about 2 weeks, its very unpleasant, similar to benzo withdrawal. You also need more and more of it to get the same effect i.e. tolerance. I did find it easy to taper off, relatively speaking compared to xanax (a nightmare)

[neophyte]

Neo, I wouldn't waste your time on glutamine, its a non essential amino acid that means your body makes the glutamine it needs, I found supplementation with it did nothing to curb cravings.

[Mom21961]

Neo, I wouldn't waste your time on glutamine, its a non essential amino acid that means your body makes the glutamine it needs, I found supplementation with it did nothing to curb cravings.

My only AF days prior to Baclofen was when I was taking a cocktail of L-glutamine, kudzu and the hypnosis CDs recommended in RJs book in 2014. Not sure the CDs did anything, but I think 2500 mg of the micronized l-glutamine 3x/day was helpful. I took it in liquid on an empty stomach. I wasn't always consistant with the Kudzu, but I do think the l-glut was beneficial.

Note: doesn't hold a candle to Baclofen though

[Spiritfree]

@Neo - I just found this list of Nootropics on website not sure if you've seen it. https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showwi..._of_Nootropics

Hey T2Q - this really is a great list. Wow, I had no idea some of this stuff existed and that you can buy it over the counter. Thank you.

[SKendall]

Just wanted to give you my experience. I used phenibut successfully for insomnia and at a low dose using the measure it was great.

Once I lost the measure and dipped a teaspoon in - just the end of it, but 500g is the recommended dosage, I ended up sleeping for 2 days. I immediately recognized the problem and didn't use it for a couple or years. I used it again successfully. I haven't used it repeatedly in sequence, and I'm very aware of how powerful it is.

Of the nootropics I recently ordered hyperzine for memory issues due to loss of memory after being rear-ended and I can't give you the results yet.

[neophyte]

re nootropics, i researched these extensively a few years ago, there isnt much evidence behind them supporting increasing cognitive capacity, especially with racetams. though if you know otherwise, i would like to hear about it.

[YouKayBee]

My only AF days prior to Baclofen was when I was taking a cocktail of L-glutamine, kudzu and the hypnosis CDs recommended in RJs book in 2014. Not sure the CDs did anything, but I think 2500 mg of the micronized l-glutamine 3x/day was helpful. I took it in liquid on an empty stomach. I wasn't always consistant with the Kudzu, but I do think the l-glut was beneficial.

Note: doesn't hold a candle to Baclofen though

I used L-glut as an athlete, for recovery purposes. When I was struggling with alcohol I tried to use it to help with cravings, and the kudzu and the cds. None did anything, even at 5g and higher. I still use L-Glut however have just read something which claims it's only beneficial in burns victims, and for GI health.

[Otter]

Hey T2Q - this really is a great list. Wow, I had no idea some of this stuff existed and that you can buy it over the counter. Thank you.

And, WOW, WOW, WOW, guess what? None of it does anything for alcoholism.

I have purchased all this stuff and none of it does anything at all. It's hugely expensive, hard to get hold of and comes in tiny amounts. Desmopresin costs huge amounts and comes in a container about the size of a Superglue tube. It's a nose spray and impossible to administer.

If you want to read a very useful book on very good and very safe organic products to take for alcoholism then read Joan Larson's Seven Weeks to Sobriety. It's the best book out there and she recommends L-Glutamine as part of her recovery program. None of these types of products do anything on their own or in small amounts. Her advice is that drinking alcohol so destroys your gut lining that you need to super overdose yourself just to get the right amount to be effective and each substance deals with a particular problem caused by alcohol consumption and none is cure or full treatment in itself.

Baclofen is different because it tackles the problem from a different angle by getting rid of alcohol consumption to start with and then your body heals itself. Larson's vitamin plan doesn't deal with anxiety craving and everything she uses is in a normal diet which is ok once your stomach has recovered.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

I've used modafinil before. It's a prescription med I got online. Works pretty well, actually. Hard to find these days, but can still be found. And if I recall correctly, it ain't cheap.

I tried piracetam a looong time ago, and didn't really find any benefit. Same with L-glut. But who knows? It may work for you...

[Spiritfree]

Just wanted to give you my experience. I used phenibut successfully for insomnia and at a low dose using the measure it was great.

Once I lost the measure and dipped a teaspoon in - just the end of it, but 500g is the recommended dosage, I ended up sleeping for 2 days. I immediately recognized the problem and didn't use it for a couple or years. I used it again successfully. I haven't used it repeatedly in sequence, and I'm very aware of how powerful it is.

Of the nootropics I recently ordered hyperzine for memory issues due to loss of memory after being rear-ended and I can't give you the results yet.

Hi SK -please be careful with the Hyperzine; I have heard that it can cause black outs.

https://www.mywayout.org/community/showthread.php?t=35153&page=10

[Otter]

Ne, have you tried Mirtazapine with baclofen?

My wife's combo includes baclofen, Mirtazapine with multi vitamins and diazapam for occassional episodes of severe anxiety. She also has used Hydergine and bio-lithium. Bio-lithium is mentioned in Larson's book for better neurological communication. It improves thought processing so you stay sharper and better able to think things through. Hydergine repairs brain cell damage. Now she hardly uses any of this except baclofen and Mirtazapine in times of stress. I got hold of piracetam as well but it didn't seem to do anything.

I also got some RU21 which is mainly vitamin C to prevent further damage when she was drinking heavily, not that it helped her recover but I figured that if she was relapsing a lot then I should try to protect against the damage caused.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

I had a bad reaction to Mirtazapine, Otter.