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[spiritwolf333]

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Fred_The_Cat;1681469 wrote: People, I have ***THE SOLUTION***

We clearly have not gotten Spirit's point because he has to keep repeating it until we get it right. What's worse, the vulnerable newcomer, easily led astray by misinformation and perverts with candy cannot distinguish a good thread from a bad one and must be shown the ropes. I propose the following:

Let's get to it folks!

How much does my new job pay Fred?

Fred -how is that alcohol free program working out for you these days? Is your cat(s) still a happy camper. LOL. LOL. Fred, I don't imagine that we can agree on much, but I bet we can at least agree on one thing: Alcoholism Sucks.

[spiritwolf333]

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Ne/Neva Eva;1681399 wrote: *sigh*

Spirit, I can't believe you've started yet another thread to say the exact same thing.

You have been drunk 5 times in the last year. (More than I have!)
You did not, and do not, do counseling or attend AA or even exercise regularly. In fact, all you've done to get sober is to take baclofen. That's it. Why do you keep insisting that people do it differently than you did? Why do you keep insisting that baclofen doesn't work?

Hi Ne - wow, if I had known you were keeping count of drunk times, I would have said less than you. (lol). I am disappointed in your comments regarding "what I do or don't do" regarding my recovery situation. Since you did bring it up, I think it continues to be important for any person trying to recover from this disease to know at least a few of the things that I have found critical to my recovery:

(1) Abstinence from Alcohol
(2) Medication
(3) Exercise
(4) Nutrition
(5) Support
(6) Medical Assistance

Too often, I find myself worrying about the messenger instead of the message. Just a thought -Ne.

[spiritwolf333]

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For any of you that continue to take baclofen for alcoholism, DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR ALCOHOLISM each time you take your baclofen?

In other words, are you reminded before, during, or after each swallow of the pill that you have a problem with alcohol. Are you reminded that alcohol is more powerful than you (your brain) each time you take baclofen?

[Fred_The_Cat]

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Spirit,

I've never claimed to be alcohol free. There is a wonderful thing called LIFE to be enjoyed when you put alcoholic terror behind you. I've figured out that drinking 2-3 times a week is a happy enough balance with everything else.

I don't owe abstinence to anyone.

Why do religious zealots, whether they identify themselves as such or not, have this compulsive urge to impose on others?

[StuckinLA]

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Fred_The_Cat;1681549 wrote: Why do religious zealots, whether they identify themselves as such or not, have this compulsive urge to impose on others?

BECAUSE THEIRS IS THE ONE TRUE WAY!

[Samandkatharine]

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spiritwolf333;1681539 wrote: For any of you that continue to take baclofen for alcoholism, DO YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR ALCOHOLISM each time you take your baclofen?

In other words, are you reminded before, during, or after each swallow of the pill that you have a problem with alcohol. Are you reminded that alcohol is more powerful than you (your brain) each time you take baclofen?

This is why I rarely post anymore. It's sad. Spirit, you remind me of the addiction doctor I went to in hopes of getting a legit Bac rx. He made me feel dirty.

Did you see the documentary Jesus Camp? I suggest you see it. There is room for all of us here, moderating or not.

Sam

[Fred_The_Cat]

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Damn Spirit, you remind me of the way religious nutcases view birth control. Despite solving a heinous problem to women and society at large, solving a problem with a pill gives them one less stick to beat people with and that sends them into a tizzy.

[Lostinspace]

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Jjkk - Please ignore all the talk about "true alcoholics." We all exist along a spectrum of alcohol problems; some are worse than others. Who cares? If AL is causing problems in your life, you struggle with cravings, and find it difficult to go without, then there's no reason not to give bac a try. You have nothing to lose, but a lot to gain. :welcome:

EDIT: I know this thread is full of bickering, but for the most part, people here don't bite. Feel free to post.

[Xadrian]

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I also posted this on another thread:

For me indifference is something like this:

At a party, someone asks if I want a beer. Before bac, it was allways a yes.

Now, I'm asking myself the question if I would like a beer or not. I choose not and have a cola instead.
Why? Not because I think the beer is bad for me and maybe if I drink it, I would like some more.
But just because I'm thirsty and at that moment I like the taste of cola more than the taste of beer.
It simply looks more refreshing to me.

But if I would be on a terrace with a friend, it could happen that I choose for the beer and enjoy the view and the conversation.

Before bac, when I drank beer, it was for the purpose of getting drunk.
Now, when I sporadicly drink beer, it is not.

Would you call that indifferent? Or if not, how would you call that?

[tee111]

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^^^^ as a above. Drink to get drunk is the way I've always been. I don't partiicually like the taste of beer a can of juice a far more appealing beverage if its thirst your looking for.

[StuckinLA]

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spiritwolf333;1681218 wrote: Stuck, have you ever once considered what your real purpose is to be on a site that tries to help people become free from alcohol?

As you told me before, just look at your at how many hits your thread has.
You keep saying this, Spirit, and it is still false. You once said I should post my experience while drinking and taking baclofen:

spiritwolf333;1643110 wrote: But Stuck, your drinking experience while taking Baclofen would be helpful for others to readif you are willing to do so.
I replied here, and mentioned the number of posts on my thread because I wrote a whole lot about my experience:

StuckinLA;1643470 wrote:
It's all right here, Spirit:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...bac-63480.html

It's not a thousand and some posts long for nothing. There's the bac, drinking, switch, not drinking, going down on bac, drinking again, then not drinking, etc, etc.

You are the one who brought up the number of views:

spiritwolf333;1644072 wrote: Also Stuck, your current active thread of 44,000 views certainly has to be a very user-friendly and helpful thread. Awesome.

I don't promote my thread. If people want to read it they can go ahead and do so. If it's helpful to see what my experience on baclofen was like, then great. But I'm not here for a popularity contest, no matter how many times you say that I am. So f**k off.

[guapo]

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Xadrian;1681833 wrote: I also posted this on another thread:

For me indifference is something like this:

At a party, someone asks if I want a beer. Before bac, it was allways a yes.

Now, I'm asking myself the question if I would like a beer or not. I choose not and have a cola instead.
Why? Not because I think the beer is bad for me and maybe if I drink it, I would like some more.
But just because I'm thirsty and at that moment I like the taste of cola more than the taste of beer.
It simply looks more refreshing to me.

But if I would be on a terrace with a friend, it could happen that I choose for the beer and enjoy the view and the conversation.

Before bac, when I drank beer, it was for the purpose of getting drunk.
Now, when I sporadicly drink beer, it is not.

Would you call that indifferent? Or if not, how would you call that?

Sounds good to me. I did my journey away from alcohol using Naltrexone and some other methods, but I have to say that indifference is now the usual. Still drink a little at times, but the obsession is completely gone.

That's a good thing, and the best I could hope for. Sounds like a lot of the discussion on here is about splitting hairs, I say whatever works.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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I wonder who has more to offer, and to receive, from this site? The person who is still struggling with alcoholism or the person who has found a solution that works for them and insists that it's the way it should work for everyone else.

I am very sure that Stuck's input and participation has much more value than anything I could think or write.

Not to mention that I don't want to be part of any group of alcoholics that doesn't let drinkers in. just sayin.

Keep doing you, Stuck. Don't stop until you're right where you want to be. And rest assured that the fact that you keep it real here helps me see what I need to see. Thank you.

[guapo]

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Fred_The_Cat;1681549 wrote: Spirit,

I've never claimed to be alcohol free. There is a wonderful thing called LIFE to be enjoyed when you put alcoholic terror behind you. I've figured out that drinking 2-3 times a week is a happy enough balance with everything else.

I don't owe abstinence to anyone.

Well, having abstinence or moderation as a choice resonates with me. Still cannot get my mind around not enjoying alcohol on occasion, but sanely.

there's a lot of emotion bubbling around on this thread.!!!

[guapo]

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One thing more, what is people's goal here, to become nondrinkers, or to escape abnormal drinking ?

My impression is that the vast majority of the MWO organization believes in total abstinence as the goal.