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[spiritwolf333]

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Fred_The_Cat;1682895 wrote: Just keep the shit show going, that's all I ask.

Hi Fred. Very disappointing to read your feedback. I did want to say that I am glad that you are now able to drink alcohol with no adverse effects and the alcohol allows you to enjoy life to the fullest. Your posts say it all.

[StuckinLA]

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spiritwolf333;1682929 wrote: Hi Fred. Very disappointing to read your feedback. I did want to say that I am glad that you are now able to drink alcohol with no adverse effects and the alcohol allows you to enjoy life to the fullest. Your posts say it all.

Yeah, Fred. True alcoholics or GTFO.

[charlie3659]

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I like your post-first time here-I am very interested on the varying opinions. I would like to know how to be able to get an RX for BAC- is it only available in certain states?

[StuckinLA]

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No it's not only in certain states. It depends on the doctor. Baclofen is available but is prescribed 'off-label'. I'm not able to do a very good job of explaining or welcoming you properly right now but I will have info for you tomorrow first thing.

[spiritwolf333]

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StuckinLA;1682986 wrote: No it's not only in certain states. It depends on the doctor. Baclofen is available but is prescribed 'off-label'. I'm not able to do a very good job of explaining or welcoming you properly right now but I will have info for you tomorrow first thing.

I would sure like to hear your advice regarding this subject. Perhaps another day?

[spiritwolf333]

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Xadrian;1681833 wrote: I also posted this on another thread:

For me indifference is something like this:

At a party, someone asks if I want a beer. Before bac, it was allways a yes.

Now, I'm asking myself the question if I would like a beer or not. I choose not and have a cola instead.
Why? Not because I think the beer is bad for me and maybe if I drink it, I would like some more.
But just because I'm thirsty and at that moment I like the taste of cola more than the taste of beer.
It simply looks more refreshing to me.

But if I would be on a terrace with a friend, it could happen that I choose for the beer and enjoy the view and the conversation.

Before bac, when I drank beer, it was for the purpose of getting drunk.
Now, when I sporadicly drink beer, it is not.

Would you call that indifferent? Or if not, how would you call that?

Hi X -I did not read this post in its entirety before.

To me, what you describe is the ability to now choose when you want to change your thoughts and feelings using alcohol -without losing control. Whereas before Baclofen, you could not stop drinking once you began. On paper, this sounds great and is great.

However, imo, most alcoholics drink to change the way they feel or think at any given moment. They are not concerned about what would better quench their thirst. No, instead, they just don't want to presently think or feel the way they are feeling.

This is the reason that the term indifference is quite irrelevant to the true "alcoholic". This is why it so important for an alcoholic to follow through with other necessary tools.

[StuckinLA]

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spiritwolf333;1683203 wrote: I would sure like to hear your advice regarding this subject. Perhaps another day?

Not that I would ever encourage you to post more, Spirit, but where the f**k have you been to help the 2 or 3 newcomers over the past day or so? You say your purpose here is to help this mythical newcomer - yet when actual new people show up, with real questions and concerns, you (for once) have nothing to contribute. Go figure.

As for Charlie, I responded to his post on another thread, with search terms to use for finding more information. Hopefully he sticks around and reads the informational threads that have been bumped for that purpose.

[spiritwolf333]

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StuckinLA;1683228 wrote: Not that I would ever encourage you to post more, Spirit, but where the f**k have you been to help the 2 or 3 newcomers over the past day or so? You say your purpose here is to help this mythical newcomer - yet when actual new people show up, with real questions and concerns, you (for once) have nothing to contribute. Go figure.

As for Charlie, I responded to his post on another thread, with search terms to use for finding more information. Hopefully he sticks around and reads the informational threads that have been bumped for that purpose.

Stuck -you might want to consider what a real troll is. Are you aware that the person(s) appearing to be new and posting legitimate questions are one and the same and just trolling you?

And Stuck - have you ever read one single post where I personally attacked you the way that you do me? Of course not. You know me better than that.

Stuck, we each try to help others -at least in our own ways. I believe our intentions are good and should not involve personal public attacks. You will possibly disagree and that is ok. However, if you ever want to privately discuss our mutual concerns, you know how to reach me.

[Lostinspace]

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Spirit, you've already scared away potential newcomers with this thread. Remember Jjkk (page 3 of this thread)? I'm sure you don't because I'm the only person to respond to him/her in the midst of all the bs that this thread has generated. Just let it go already.

[Lostinspace]

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For further reading, even the new version of the DSM no longer differentiates between "alcohol abuse" and "alcohol dependence.". Their reasoning can be found here: http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Substa...ct%20Sheet.pdf

I know this will probably make little difference in your definition of the "true alcoholic," but all I can do is try. Btw, I don't agree with the DSM, either, but that's a rant for a whole other day, and a whole other thread.

Edit: I just realized that my last sentence could be misinterpreted. When I say I don't agree with the DSM, what I mean is that I don't see the value in labeling people at all, not that I disagree with the change they made to the new addition.

[tee111]

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Spirit you've personally done more damage than all the spammers put together with this "true alcoholic" bullshit crusade you've recently been on.

If I was a newbie and read some of your posts I'd be off never to me heard of again. You come across so condescending. I don' t know if you where ever part of the whole AA thing but you come across like someone who has been utterly brainwashed and there is no reasoning with you.

What also is really annoying is that you reply to ever post with a sort of "thank you for your feedback" kind of reply. When it's clearly not feedback, its just someone replying to you be cause they' re so pissed off and couldn't disagree with you more.

Please for the sake of everyone's sanity could we just let this thread die. You really seem to believe in what you think and fair play you've stuck to your guns but its really not helping any newbies. The titly alone would catch my eye if I'd just logged on for the first time and if I read someone more or less saying that "well I'm sorry but your not a true alcoholic" then as I've ranted already above....

I'd be off.

[tee111]

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spiritwolf333;1683251 wrote: Stuck -you might want to consider what a real troll is. Are you aware that the person(s) appearing to be new and posting legitimate questions are one and the same and just trolling you? .

Holy shit... Seriously man!?! Newbies asking questions are trolling now!?!

[bleep]

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Fred has it exactly right. Let's please stop feeding the troll, even though it is so very, very hard to do.

[Xadrian]

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spiritwolf333;1683251 wrote: Stuck -you might want to consider what a real troll is.

A troll is someone who is derailing (or trying to) a forum.

Hey, that brings me to an idea. Shall we make this thread a discussion about what a "real troll" is and what not?

Now that we have confirmed that you are a "real alcoholic" and the rest of us are only acting like we were alcoholic, I suggest we finally admit you are a "real troll", because you certainly have a serious trolling addiction. The other trolls were only fake trolls, because they gave up after a few posts. You didn't. You stayed and you even made people believe that you really meant all you said. You even fooled me. Maybe you even believed it yourself!
That makes you the most perfect, genuine, irrefutable "real troll". Congratulations! You should be very proud of yourself to have earned this most desired and highly pursued title.
I hereby declare you "master troll" of the meds section of MWO.

If it walks like a troll, smells like a troll and shits like a troll, it most probably is a troll, right?

[Xadrian]

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spiritwolf333;1683208 wrote: Hi X -I did not read this post in its entirety before.

To me, what you describe is the ability to now choose when you want to change your thoughts and feelings using alcohol -without losing control. Whereas before Baclofen, you could not stop drinking once you began. On paper, this sounds great and is great.

However, imo, most alcoholics drink to change the way they feel or think at any given moment. They are not concerned about what would better quench their thirst. No, instead, they just don't want to presently think or feel the way they are feeling.

This is the reason that the term indifference is quite irrelevant to the true "alcoholic". This is why it so important for an alcoholic to follow through with other necessary tools.

The world is still flat, huh?

It has nothing to do with choosing the way you feel or think. It's about choosing what to drink.

I have a difficult one for you: What if I choose an alcohol free beer. Would that be for the taste and the thirst, or would it be a secret desire for a real beer?
Maybe the thought of drinking "beer" would trigger and fire up some neurons in my brain to just give me some of the altered feelings and thinkings I used to get when I was an alcoholic (not a "real" one, of coarse, because in that case I wouldn't be able to ever dring a real beer again, without relapsing).
I think the government is probably mixing something in the tap water to make me choose for a beer now and then and they are messing with the strength of my baclofen too.

Just a thought, an opinion.
I'm not crazy, I'm an airplane.