Psilocybin Treatment

[Stevo]

I am finding this to be a very interesting thread too,thankyou for starting it.I have done a lot of hallucinogens throughout my life and in the end just decided that they weren't for me(none of them in a controlled environment).I cant recall having a really bad experience with them off the top of my head but just felt that I was over them in the end.
I have a friend who absolutely loves them and he has a great perspective on life and where he stands in it.He is quite a dodgy character but seems to have no issue with this at all and he is so comfortable with himself that he is the sort of person that others want to be around.Maybe his attitude and general peace with himself is the outcome of all the trips that he does.
As I read the posts in here I couldn't help but wonder.

[anne1232]

Kronk- ohhh, that makes sense.

[anne1232]

There a lot of clinics in CR that are really getting it right. Also, they are starting farms growing the iboga shrub, which is now in danger of being decimated as western demand grows. Unfortunately I am hearing the government is getting is getting pissed at their claims of a 'cure' and threatening a 'crack down' of some sort. Yes, Spirit, the word 'reset' is accurate, and 'interrupter.' Not cure.

[Louis]

Where can i find a center to do mushroom therapy? I live in Europe but i don't mind traveling. But how do i find it? If i use google i can not really find a clear center or something..? But on the internet i read the whole time people who do it in a room laying down and a therapist who observes them.

Kind regards

[terryk]

Hi Anne - I have taken psilocybe mushrooms (among other psychedelics) many times and consider my experiences with them among the most profound influences on the way I view the world and my place in it. Good luck, I hope you find success!

'Magic Mushrooms' May Permanently Alter Personality

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/single_dose_of_hallucinogen_may_create_lasting_personality_change

Also, a couple of points:

1) Psilocybin is not a plant - It, along with Psilocin and other component alkaloids, are the chemicals in psilocybe mushrooms responsible for psychedelic effects. Similarly, LSD-25 is one of the psychoactive chemicals in the rye ergot fungus Claviceps purpurea, and Ibogaine is the indole alkaloid of the Iboga tree/shrub.

I mention this because I don't think it's fair to say that because a chemical comes in plant form it is safer than one that comes from a lab - each of the "natural" forms of these drugs carries along with it adjunct compounds (possibly as defense mechanisms to ward off grazing animals - as if a bad trip wasn't enough) that cause: nausea and GI distress (mushrooms), Ergotism - all kinds of trouble ending with your arms falling off from gangrene (Rye fungus), and cardiac distress (Iboga). Consider also that the strength and effects of any of these "natural" forms will vary widely from batch to batch depending on the conditions during which they were grown, which would contribute directly to which psychoactive chemicals were formed and in what quantity. LSD, Psilocybin, and Ibogaine are all produced in the laboratory, and have been used in clinical settings, by medical professionals, in trials to treat all kinds of maladies including addiction. Lastly, about Ibogaine specifically, many of the treatment centers I've read about are using Ibogaine HCL as opposed to an alkaloid extract or actual Iboga root powder, and the (licensed) medical community is investigating the use of 18-methoxycoronaridine (18-MC), a less toxic ibogaine congener.

2) "As for Ibogaine deaths, they have exclusively occurred (in recorded history) when a patient has lied to the providers about having taken speed, coke or any amphetamines prior to treatment."

I did a little research: this study (below) looks at 19 deaths that occurred between 1990 and 2008. 8 of 11 patients who had toxicological analysis performed tested positive for for some amount of (opiates, benzos, cocaine - mostly in that order by my count - the authors note that "Ibogaine potentiates the lethality of opioids"). At least 12 of the 19 had medical comorbidities including liver disease, peptic ulcer disease, brain neoplasm, hypertensive and atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, and obesity - something to consider as many of these conditions are features of long-term, chonic alcohol abuse.


Fatalities temporally associated with the ingestion of ibogaine. Full Text Here

Also:

The anti-addiction drug ibogaine and the heart: a delicate relation.

Ibogaine related sudden death: a case report.

Fatal case of a 27-year-old male after taking iboga in withdrawal treatment: GC-MS/MS determination of ibogaine and ibogamine in iboga roots and postmortem biological material.

A case of death due to ibogaine use for heroin addiction: case report.

Not trying to scare anyone off, just due diligence. I like simple, natural remedies first - pharmaceutical solutions that make corporate fat cats more money are always a last resort for me.

-tk

[Spiritfree]

It is becoming more clear to me each time I further research the effects of hallucinogens on the human. In non-recreational settings, these medications (drugs) seem to create many powerful and positive experiences for the recipients. Formerly, any drug outside of tobacco and alcohol used to scare me to no end. Never did try and I still don't. However, I am now very open to idea of certain hallucinogens in the proper settings-environment. There is way too much positive information available now to ignore this subject -in my opinion.

In light of the fact that there have been very little negative outcomes for those who have experienced hallucinogens, and in light of the fact that these drugs seem to offer people new insights into their own lives -mostly for the better, I stand to be a proponent for this treatment. Of course, I will not personally know until I experience this treatment myself.

I found this article very interesting: (thanks to a friend on this forum)

http://reset.me/story/study-lsd-help-alcoholics-stay-sober/

A great video!:

http://reset.me/video/how-psychedelics-are-saving-lives/

Video:

http://reset.me/video/watch-psychedelics-tools-spirituality/

Edit: Anne -I have always thought that there must be some form of reset button to the human brain that would be necessary to help one move past one's ingrained thought patterns and actions. It truly sounds to me like these hallucinogenic chemicals do exactly that.

[Spiritfree]

Hi Anne - I have taken psilocybe mushrooms (among other psychadelics) many times and consider my experiences with them among the most profound influences on the way I view the world and my place in it. Good luck, I hope you find success!-tk

Hi Terry -How was your first experience? Was your first experience and 'eye-opening', life changing event?
Thanks
SF

[anne1232]

Louis- where in Europe are you?

TerryK- you should be admin-ing this thread! Thanks so much for clarifications. I didn't do a lot of research 'cause I didn't think very many people were interested.....lucky we have you! I took the HCL version of the Iboga myself. But I'd still rather ingest a handful of dried plant than a capsule of white powder. Anyway, I made this post based on my own thoughts that psilocybin was more gentle and safer and cheaper than Ibogaine, but as useful.

[terryk]

No problem anne, and thanks for the kind words. I should mention that I haven't taken any psychedelics in about 15 years - and when I did, I never tried to use them to combat my problems with alcohol.

-tk

[Louis]

Anne, i live in Belgium. But i don't mind traveling, i quitted my job now to work on my addiction and personal life. U have any advice where i can look?

Kind regards

[Spiritfree]

Hi Terry -How was your first experience? Was your first experience and 'eye-opening', life changing event?
Thanks
SF

Hi Terry -are you willing to answer my question regarding your first experience -or does someone else need to ask you?

[Spiritfree]

No problem anne, and thanks for the kind words. I should mention that I haven't taken any psychedelics in about 15 years - and when I did, I never tried to use them to combat my problems with alcohol.

-tk

TK -why did you take them -if not to help with your addictions?

[neophyte]

interesting post TK, can you point me towards any research in using ibogaine and 18-methoxycoronaridine for addiction? or any other kappa opiod drugs with the same goal.

[terryk]

interesting post TK, can you point me towards any research in using ibogaine and 18-methoxycoronaridine for addiction? or any other kappa opiod drugs with the same goal.

The third article in my post, here's a portal to the free full-text:

http://www.mdpi.com/1420-3049/20/2/2208/htm

Plus:

Synthesis and Biological Evaluation of 18-Methoxycoronaridine Congeners. Potential Antiaddiction Agents

18-Methoxycoronaridine Differentially Alters the Sensitized Behavioral and Dopaminergic Responses to Repeated Cocaine and Morphine Administration: Implications for Sensitization in the Mediation of Drug Addiction

Attenuation of the reinforcing efficacy of morphine by 18-methoxycoronaridine

Attenuation of Alcohol Consumption by a Novel Nontoxic Ibogaine Analogue (18-Methoxycoronaridine) in Alcohol-Preferring Rats

18-Methoxycoronaridine Blocks Context-induced Reinstatement Following Cocaine Self-administration in Rats

-tk

[Spiritfree]

TK -why did you take them -if not to help with your addictions?

Terry -are u available to answer the question?
Respectfully,
SF