I'm leaving My Way Out

[Ne/Neva Eva]

It probably isn't a shock to most of you that I am leaving. I can't take it anymore. I have a lot I want to share, I need support desperately. What I find is that we are repeatedly undermined by someone who has undertaken to point out my (and our) faults. Not just the real ones, but the ones he fabricates. And it's all based on ignorance and intolerance. The site is dying anyway, so no reason to post for posterity and the ones that come after us. Which is sad, but frankly, necessary.



That said, I really am in need of support. And writing is catharsis for me, as is getting feedback from many of you. I have a friend who, years ago, set up a private forum for a small group of us. Nothing formal. No subjects or headers or links to information...But a place to go to touch base on a regular basis. It was, obviously, invite only. If there are other people on here who are interested in participating in such a format, please post here or send me a private message. (I'll make sure there is space in my messages! Ha!)



Ironically, I have just about reached indifference and the transition from slavery to freedom is a time fraught with indecision and confusion. At least it was for me the last time. The other thing I really want to share is about my psychiatrist and all of the exciting things happening there. Anyway, enough about me.



If at least a small-ish group of us would like a new, safe, supportive place I'll ask my friend to set it up. These things have not really worked in the past, but in this case it would just be a place to touch base. I don't want to impose on my friendship by asking for a favor if it's not something that people are generally interested in.



Please let me know.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Dammit. My private messages box is full because I cancelled my membership (which gives you space for 500 messages) and now have only room for 100 messages. It's going to take me some time to clear that out because some of them are dear to me.

So here's the email I use for MWO: krileyd at gmail. Email me there and I'll get back to you with a different one.

[dundrinkn]

I'm in. You can PM me here and I will ping you on your email as well. I'm sorry to see you go, but alas, I so get it. I was getting really obsessed in the last few days and came across the 2014 Medication thread where everything that was happening now was happening then. OMG!! Ground hog day. I too could use the support and don't feel safe posting here anymore either. Over and out.

[Xadrian]

I haven't been posting and reading the forum much for over a year and it was sad to see that the narcistic, egoistic, know-it-all wisecrack Dr. SpitFire MD. still is messing-up the place, even more than before. This is also one of the reasons I'm not around here anymore. So he can be very proud of himself by achieving that.
He knows what I think about him, so there's no need to repeat it, but it is pretty much in agreement with what most of you think about him.
I only hope that he will not pull any innocent first time visitors over here into believing what he calls the truth, so maybe giving some reply now and then, would not be such a bad idea.
However, I agree with your idea and I will send you an e-mail.

[guillaume]

Hello Ne/Neva Eva and all others leaving the MWO medication community,



I am truly sorry this trolling business played out exactly as I feared it would. Please move to another place with modern controls and trusted moderation. I and with me many others not speaking out I am sure, am in dire need of a safe place to be part of trustworthy secure and partly private community concerning medication for alcohol related health problems.



Best wishes and all the best, guillaume.



PS, just to make sure I am very clear to the troll spiritfree, spiritwolf, or whatever, my best bet is you already have blood on your hands, in this last year there will have been somebody unbeknownst to us that came looking for help but got scarred away by your actions on these forums with lethal consequences. Spirit, like you like to say, just my opinion.

[Spiritfree]

If expressing my opinion that quitting the use of alcohol in order to live is a bad thing -well then, continue calling me what ever you want. 88,000 people a year die as the direct result of the abuse of alcohol. Every single hour in the United States, 10 people die as a result of alcohol.

If reporting statistics, realty, medications, new medications, and even concern for those who continue to throw stones at me, makes me a "troll" or bad person, then I stand guilty.

What ever method one chooses (TSM/AA/Medications -or combination) to quit drinking, then truly, at some point one has to quit drinking. None of these are bad ways to quit drinking if you are at the point that you really need to quit drinking.

Finally, for all those of you who choose to believe that I hurt people because I promote the idea of quitting drinking I will ask you to think about one thing;
Just exactly what are you thinking? If someone is in trouble with alcohol, is it better to promote continued drinking or to promote quitting drinking? Very few people die from quitting alcohol when compared to those who continue to drink. To date, there are no 'easy' answers to removing alcohol from one's life, but there are a lot of answers on how to keep drinking -at least on this part of the forum.

So NE, I wish you and your group the best of luck in your new startup group. I am quite certain members there will find the exact type of support they are looking for.

(Otter and gullimae -thank you both for dropping in to say hello at the same time-again. I hope the two or three of you are doing well and making forward progress.)

Edit: If what I am writing and reporting is not the truth, then each of you that are so angered would most likely not be angered at all. And NE, by all means continue sharing your experience and knowledge relative to Baclofen and sobriety and that way you can continue to build your 5 year club of alcohol, Baclofen, and misery.

[kronkcarr]

Yay! A group with well meaning folks. See you there

[Lostinspace]

A private forum would be great. Ditto what kronk said.

[Spiritfree]

A private forum would be great. Ditto what kronk said.

Yay! A group with well meaning folks. See you there

Yay! A private club that that supports continued drinking while taking Baclofen while each member of the club continues to suffer from the effects of alcoholism and not facing reality. This truly will be a fantastic support group for those who really don't know the deadly effects of alcoholism and need buddies to condone their continued drinking. Perfect. Sign me up.

[dundrinkn]

Oh Spirit. You so funny. You can't sign up. You aren't invited.

[dundrinkn]

But just to be clear, everyone else is!

[Stevo]

Ne I would love to be a part of the forum you speak of too.

[kronkcarr]

I know many of us posted about indifference months ago. For me indifference means that I don't think, crave nor care about alcohol. I don't worry or think if there's alcohol in my home or if I'll have some wherever I'm going. I can't think of a thing that's alcoholic or unhealthy about my life.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Wow. Well that was unexpected.

The response is pretty overwhelming and I've received a bunch of emails and some suggestions.

Here's the irony: I am a woman with WAY too much time on my hands. Except this week. I'm headed out of town tomorrow for a long weekend with my parents and won't be able to work on this with full attention until next week.

To be clear, I have no interest in trying to recreate MWO or set up a forum to share information about baclofen. Lo0p/Evan did that and it took a lot of work, a bit of money, and support that never really came through. (Including my own, for many reasons.) I just want a place to check in, see how everyone is doing, and share my own experience with people who understand what this is actually all about. That means you guys would actually have to participate! Ha. And me, too.

I'm going to look into a couple of the suggestions. I've also heard from my friend but I think he's annoyed with me. (For good reason. I'm not a very good penpal as many of you know.) And I am going to reach out to the guy who set up Lo0p's forum and see if he has an easy/cheap solution. More formal than some of the suggestions, less formal than some others.

Thank you all. It's very gratifying that you want to hear from me, and each other, regardless of the reasons. We are a sort of family here and I would sorely miss it, but I just can't take the badgering. Obviously you all can't either.

Back as soon as I can.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

One last thing.

If you email me, will you include your username from here? Hard to tell who's who when you use your real names! (Which you don't have to! You can create an email account in about 2 seconds that doesn't identify who you are, and that's fine with me. I have a specific email set up for MWO that doesn't have my real name in it.) (Not that I hide my real name. It's Karen.)