I'm leaving My Way Out

[kronkcarr]

Yay! A private club that that supports continued drinking while taking Baclofen while each member of the club continues to suffer from the effects of alcoholism and not facing reality. This truly will be a fantastic support group for those who really don't know the deadly effects of alcoholism and need buddies to condone their continued drinking. Perfect. Sign me up.

You quoted me so I'm guessing your quote was addressed to me along with others. Not once have I told someone else to drink. I tell my experience, strength and hope (I think I have that AA jingle correct.).



Over the last almost 3 years on bac I've cut the irritating situations and difficult people from my life. I initially came here for help and stayed to hear peoples' experience and offer my experience. When I log on now I am irritated and saddened by the meanness, disrespect and disruption.

[badger]

I am going to reach out to the guy who set up Lo0p's forum and see if he has an easy/cheap solution. More formal than some of the suggestions, less formal than some others.

FreeForums is pretty easy/cheap:



https://freeforums.net/create-free-forum



I seem to remember someone set up "Stepping Forward" on there as a stop-gap whilst MWO was having its upgrade issues

I just can't take the badgering

sorry, we badgers do that

[JanCan]

If expressing my opinion that quitting the use of alcohol in order to live is a bad thing -well then, continue calling me what ever you want. 88,000 people a year die as the direct result of the abuse of alcohol. Every single hour in the United States, 10 people die as a result of alcohol.



If reporting statistics, realty, medications, new medications, and even concern for those who continue to throw stones at me, makes me a "troll" or bad person, then I stand guilty.



What ever method one chooses (TSM/AA/Medications -or combination) to quit drinking, then truly, at some point one has to quit drinking. None of these are bad ways to quit drinking if you are at the point that you really need to quit drinking.



Finally, for all those of you who choose to believe that I hurt people because I promote the idea of quitting drinking I will ask you to think about one thing;

Just exactly what are you thinking? If someone is in trouble with alcohol, is it better to promote continued drinking or to promote quitting drinking? Very few people die from quitting alcohol when compared to those who continue to drink. To date, there are no 'easy' answers to removing alcohol from one's life, but there are a lot of answers on how to keep drinking -at least on this part of the forum.



So NE, I wish you and your group the best of luck in your new startup group. I am quite certain members there will find the exact type of support they are looking for.



(Otter and gullimae -thank you both for dropping in to say hello at the same time-again. I hope the two or three of you are doing well and making forward progress.)



Edit: If what I am writing and reporting is not the truth, then each of you that are so angered would most likely not be angered at all. And NE, by all means continue sharing your experience and knowledge relative to Baclofen and sobriety and that way you can continue to build your 5 year club of alcohol, Baclofen, and misery.

It's not what you say or your opinion that angers people. It's how you say it.

[Poink]

I am sure this site gets ad money for the number of clicks it gets. It's hard to believe they would let one troll shut down a whole section, but I am all for shutting the meds section down. Hope to see you all soon.

[MeJustMe]

I hadn't realised Spirit was so universally disliked here. Anyway, I'll join you if I may.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

I am sure this site gets ad money for the number of clicks it gets. It's hard to believe they would let one troll shut down a whole section, but I am all for shutting the meds section down. Hope to see you all soon.

I'm not trying to shut anything down. I'm definitely not trying to replace MWO.

I hadn't realised Spirit was so universally disliked here. Anyway, I'll join you if I may.

It isn't about like or dislike, MeJustMe. It's about the fact that I don't feel like I can post honestly about my experience without being lectured or belittled. Or worse, shamed. (Which, of course, I am not.)

It isn't even about abstinence-at-all-costs or drinking occasionally, or drinking. It's about the fact that there isn't one single thread in which Spiritfree/Spiritwolf does not feel entitled to lecture, belittle or shame people.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

Ok. My friend is speaking to me and hopefully will help me. I've also reached out to the guy who set up Lo0p's website.

Thank you for other suggestions. I'll be perfectly honest in that I'm looking for the easiest and quickest way to make this happen, so enlisting the pros who know or have already done it makes sense to me. Will respond to emails later today/tonight.

xxoo

[Ne/Neva Eva]

sorry, we badgers do that

HA! Thank you for the suggestion.

[Poink]

Ne, I wasn't suggesting that you intended to shut the Med section down. SF has already done that. When the few who come here find a new site, this section will shut itself down.

I joined Lo0p's site, but without him it seemed to peter out. Haven't been there in a long time.

The sad thing is that this used to be a wonderful place for open exchange of ideas and sources and experiences, but also of hope and support.

Oh well, hope to see some of you down the road.

[Spiritfree]

Reply to Poink'd

Ne, I wasn't suggesting that you intended to shut the Med section down. SF has already done that. When the few who come here find a new site, this section will shut itself down.
I joined Lo0p's site, but without him it seemed to peter out. Haven't been there in a long time.
The sad thing is that this used to be a wonderful place for open exchange of ideas and sources and experiences, but also of hope and support.
Oh well, hope to see some of you down the road.

Poink'd -what a great post you have made.

In 4+ years, you have made a total of 138 posts. Now, all of a sudden, out the clear blue sky, you, Otter, gullimo, and a few others come up to the forum after all of these years and cheer NE on in her efforts to start a new, controlled forum of communication site. Each of you making these posts already know that Otter has his own Baclofen site and can freely join -anytime.

You say that you joined LoOp's site early on, and that is a good thing -I think. Did you ever join Otter's site?

Your last post, until today, was in March of 2014 (400+ days) and it was on the abstinence thread -completely different part of the forum. Now, you are coming out in full force accusing me of being the reason the med section is shutting down, and yet you have NEVER (Ne/Eva) participated here (except for one negative post that you made to me in in January 2014). Do you see or care about the added destruction you are doing? Why? Baclofen?

Poink'd, here is my post that made I made back in January, 2014 that you got so upset about:

"**LOOKING FOR THE MAGIC PILL **
BOTTOM LINE: When I started my search for medical ways out of addiction to alcohol (Jan 2013), I was looking for a new and revised way of quitting alcohol. I had tried and tested most all the other ways to free myself of Firewater. From a laymen's point of view, I had to believe that there was (or soon will be) a scientific approach to the removal of addiction to alcohol. And after some research and seeing Diane Sawyer interview Dr. Ameisen, I was then led to My Way Out and other resources, I believed (and still do) that I had finally found a medical answer to my alcoholism.

THE MAGIC PILL: Now comes Baclofen. Started Baclofen in April 2013 and went through the typical pains of titration -up and down; sleep, somnolence, etc. I had forgotten that the majority of this was do to the removal of alcohol from my life -not the side effects of baclofen. But, Baclofen was easy to blame for my early side effects and that is what I did.

Now, what about the magic? Well, after about 8 to 10 weeks, I discovered that alcohol was an interference to other things going on in my life. I was just no longer interested in the so called advantages of alcohol. With all the problems going on in my life and all the good things going on as well, alcohol was only going to detract from it all. This was my new "PROGRAMMING" and it was the result of baclofen. My body no longer craved alcohol, and most importantly, my mind was no longer considering alcohol as an acceptable alternative to changing my thought or feeling process. This was the MAGIC of baclofen.

"THE NOT SO MAGIC": Now, the Not-So-Magic: You see, removing the mental hell of craving was only the beginning. Baclofen had remove my mental craving and reduced my anxiety 10x fold. However, now I have a new leash on life and have to learn how to deal with life without alcohol. At best, I know most of the right things I need to do be a healthy individual. At worst, even though I know a lot of the good things to do, I just choose not to do the good and fumble along with negative bad habits. Yes, I have the alcohol removed and the mental craving cycle gone, but I need to learn to live life.

Now many of us here that comment can add our two cents worth in on such items as titration schedules, dosages, side effects, etc of baclofen. However, not so many of us are able to discuss issues outside of these. I think that this is probably a good thing. After all, this particular area of the forum is perhaps better suited just to discuss baclofen in terms of its medical approach. However, we do gain friendships amongst ourselves in this area of the forum and this can be used to a great extent to support our other areas of need.

In summary, BACLOFEN is a magic pill. Eventually it eliminates the mental torturous mental craving and it all but obliterates unnecessary anxiety. Baclofen does not teach us how to live our new lives -with our newly reprogrammed brains. Instead, many of us, or at least me, can only refer back to our earlier experiences and somehow believe that this is how we should respond.

Finally, I would like to say that the elimination of mental craving and anxiety is a gift beyond gifts -to an alcoholic like myself. However, I somehow have to believe that the real gifts lay outside of craving and anxiety, and therefore, I am on a new mission.

This is my new life on baclofen and would very much appreciate feedback -good or less than.

Peace to All."

[Spiritfree]

NE/NeverEva/etc. -It does now appear that you are healed and well back on track where you left off. I am glad for you and your improved condition. Drinking, depression, medications, anxiety, etc. all do seem to cause havoc to someone and can lead to much worse outcomes than just suffering.

Ne, what a great solution you have come up with. Did you spend much of your time developing your plan -"let me blame SF for the downfall of the med forum on MWO, create my own forum where I can console other that abuse alcohol, a site that I can control and moderate myself, no longer worry about my own problems, and then all will be ok in another 5 years."

Really Ne? You are doing this all because one person posts about how important it is not to drink if one wants to stop drinking? Ne -your actions and your words are downright harmful and shameful and you have every right in the world to feel shame -but you already know this.

--sf--

[lex]

Maybe nobody is to blame here. Maybe you simply can't sustain a forum wherein half the members seek abstinence but the other half do not.

[Spiritfree]

This entire thread and concept is nothing more than a ploy to help others feel better about their continued drinking and the acceptance by others -all of whom are doing the same and just typing words, just as we all are.

You have a person who has been deeply depressed and non-communicative come back to the site and tell you just how bad the forum/site is because of one person and how they have come up with a great solution on their own: "start a site" where only friends who get 'along' (compromise in order to continue their own behavior) with each other can participate.

Dun/Ne and a few others: none of you are in a mental condition to be leading others down the road of sobriety, peace, and happiness. Please consider the well being of others and not just your own well being.

What a great idea, until one person in the group dies as a result of alcoholism/addiction. Well, of course, you can sit back and say "I tried to what I could do to help them, but it was to no avail".

Believe it or not, you are on a site entitled "My Way Out". This is in direct reference to my way out of the hell of alcoholism (AUD). RJ does not specify what particular method one must or must not use to free themselves from cycle, she only says how she got out. RJ is/was opened minded enough to understand and realize that new and better medications were on the way to help resolve the alcohol/addiction mental disorder. She did not title the section of the forum that we are writing on "Baclofen and other medications that may help". Some how, some way, this part of the forum became a "Baclofen is the only solution" to AUD.

So, if you are truly new to the forum, do not become discouraged because of some of the recent posts/threads. Please realize that Baclofen is only a part of all of the new solutions (medically) that are available. Do not become discourage about Baclofen because of the posters who are still drinking and taking their Baclofen. Baclofen can and will help some, but it is NOT the magi pill that exclaim it to be.

[dundrinkn]

Hi Lex. I don't think there is any one on here not "seeking" freedom. I have spent many, many years AF in the last 35. Abstaining is an awesome goal. Some of us are seeking something different -- not so that we'll be able to drink, but so we'll be able to truly be free from addiction. Abstaining is not freedom. It is merely choosing not to drink. Good for you for making that choice not to drink. Today. Freedom is not worrying about it every single day. That is different. No one here is trying to advocate for drinking. We are advocating for having a meds section that talks about meds. Not spouting dogma. Good luck.

[dundrinkn]

Spirit. I was so thrilled to see you jump in and offer your wisdom and support to a poster who hadn't been around for a while. You are so welcoming that way!! That's why you're the MAN on this thread. Again, you were considerate enough to count posts, how many days absent, and tally those statistics and give a boiled down version of those posts. That is so helpful Spirit.

Spirit, your mental health has been well documented here and I think that anyone who is interested to see just what you have to offer can go back and look through the threads and see what a stellar example of sobriety, reason, and resourcefulness you've been here on MWO. A shining example of what happens in a cyber version of Lord of the Flies.

Spirit, I saw something today that reminded me of you. "My therapist says that because I'm a narcissist I might mis-read social cues. I'm pretty sure she was hitting on me." Good luck. You might pay someone to listen to you. No one here is interested.