I'm leaving My Way Out

[fennel]

Hello, folks...the title of this thread drew my attention.

I strongly urge you to put the offending member on "ignore" and don't quote any more of his posts. That way, you will be spared his constant pontificating, he won't be afforded the attention he craves and you will regain your power.

You should be able to post in your own section without harassment. Please do this...I have had to do this in the past when lack of moderation allowed posters to run rough-shod on others and it works.

I was hoping that the newly installed updates would have given us all moderator access, but it's still broken at this time. I urge you all to go to Rock Solid Shells and make statements about the site so that the messaging to moderators can be fixed on this site. Please don't leave and don't give up. The ignore feature has been one of my best friends!

[fennel]

In case you don't know how to do it...just go to "forum actions" and scroll down the left hand side of the page until you see "edit ignore list". Simply put the offending member's name in the box and click "okay".

Your tormentor LOVES when you respond to his posts...he CRAVES your responses...don't you want to starve him of that pleasure? Pretend he's not even there?

[Spiritfree]

Hey SpiritF. When's the thread getting shut down? Just wondering.

Done Drinking -you just can not leave it alone -can you?
I am truly sorry (sincerely) that you need to feel and act that this way

[Spiritfree]

Hello, folks...the title of this thread drew my attention.

I strongly urge you to put the offending member on "ignore" and don't quote any more of his posts. That way, you will be spared his constant pontificating, he won't be afforded the attention he craves and you will regain your power.

You should be able to post in your own section without harassment. Please do this...I have had to do this in the past when lack of moderation allowed posters to run rough-shod on others and it works!

Fen -You started out your message in the perfect way.
(1). You were intrigued my the title of this thread.
(2). You offered solid advice about ignoring he or she that offends a person.
(3). You went on to speak of your personal experience regarding the positive way you have dealt with this type of situation in the past.

However, you then began rambling on and turned into more of attack versus help mode.

It is quite obvious that you have never read any of my threads or posts, otherwise you would not just jump in with 'crowd' to slam someone. You do make wonder however who really is the attention seeker. Sounds like a need to control -get attention issue to me? Thank you in advance for ignoring this comment.

(Edit: it does appear that you have recently been 'slamming' the MWO administrators for several issues -interesting)

[treetops]

You can see that some of us who are not regulars on the Meds thread are now also concerned about people who came to MWO for support leaving the thread because it seems that they can not post honestly here.
There are many different routes to finding a way out of AL addiction. Badgering and constantly quoting people's words back at them would seem to be counter-productive and unsupportive.
It's great that many see abstinence as the solution but it's also great that different views on this can be put out there.
I am appalled at how the Meds section seems to have been rail-roaded. This has always been a crucial part of MWO. If people want to promote primarily and only their views then I would think they might do this on their own thread.

[fennel]

You can see that some of us who are not regulars on the Meds thread are now also concerned about people who came to MWO for support leaving the thread because it seems that they can not post honestly here.
There are many different routes to finding a way out of AL addiction. Badgering and constantly quoting people's words back at them would seem to be counter-productive and unsupportive.
It's great that many see abstinence as the solution but it's also great that different views on this can be put out there.
I am appalled at how the Meds section seems to have been rail-roaded. This has always been a crucial part of MWO. If people want to promote primarily and only their views then I would think they might do this on their own thread.

Exactly, treetops. The bully in this case could open his own thread, where he could sound off as he pleases...or post in the abstinence threads or even other forums where his ramblings would be welcomed.

I seriously hope that he is not a member of AA, as he is violating the very tenets of the program by bashing people over the head with his opinions and suggestions.

[Spiritfree]

Hi Treetops and thank you for a very thoughtful post.

Tree, for those of you who do not participate much or any on the med section, the current turmoil can very easily be seen as one single person causing problems and disrupting the section. Tree, if one were inclined to really find and know the truth, they would find that I, sf, do not posts controversial thoughts on anyone else's thread unless they bring me into their dialogue.

Most every single controversary that has erupted on this section of the forum has been the result of people posting negative or vindictive type thoughts on MY threads. As such, I have responded to them accordingly -but never in a harmful-name calling way.

As an example, this last eruption that has occurred in the med section is a direct result of several people becoming offended at a thread that I created:

https://www.mywayout.org/community/showthread.php?91751-BACLOFEN-Why-baclofen-can-work-if-you-stop-drinking&

The information that I posted was directly related to a scientific research study that had been conducted. Three of the people that immediately responded to my thread have been responding to my threads in a negative way for quite some time. I responded to these posters on my thread and the next thing that happens is a flood of more harsh and personal criticisms regarding my opinions on my thread are thrust on me.

Much to the dismay of some who have already responded to your posts and other type posts relative to me, you made a point that I have been trying to pass along:

"If people want to promote primarily and only their views then I would think they might do this on their own thread."

What a great idea. If you have any interest in doing so (and not just you), go to the thread that I posted and you will see for yourself exactly what I am talking about. It is so easy to be judgemental and critical of others if you do not know the facts. For some, if not many, knowing the facts are really not that important anyway if they have a different agenda anyway.

As a side note, the mess thread started digressing when it primarily became a Baclofen only section instead of a section where research and opinions outside of Baclofen were brought brought to discussion. In addition to this occurrence, you had people stop posting because you can only discuss the same information about Baclofen for so long.... And they got bored. For many, people found that Baclofen did not work for them and they simply left the forum. Too many Baclofen supporters did not provide support for those that Baclofen did not work for -and this became the trend.

Tree, if what I am doing -creating my own threads and posting factual information along with my opinions is wrong, then I am totally out of line and need to find another place to go. If I am wrong to defend myself when others attack me, I do not apologize.

This is the world of alcoholism and the brain functioning of the typical alcoholic. We can all improve and do better, but it has to start with person not taking offense relative to the opinions of others.

[terryk]

Tree, if one were inclined to really find and know the truth, they would find that I, sf, do not posts controversial thoughts on anyone else's thread unless they bring me into their dialogue.

This is a lie. Just one example - December 21, 2014 an entirely unprovoked attack in someone else's thread:

And finally, before I get totally wiped from my way out -here is what we have. First, we have that this person (XXXXXXXX) who has been trolling each of you for so long. For 8 months she has been trying to get 'sober'. She experiences the same damn things that she did from the beginning. She hates her job/boss/life. Been on Baclofen for nine months or more. Same story almost every day. Hates boss -hates life. You individually feed her to take more or less baclofen. Yes, this works, right? Next, we have this NE person who has been here for years step up and say just try more baclofen or less baclofen and all will be ok. Well, bottom line, none of this crap is relevant. Meds for XXXXXXXX did not work. Talk therapy for XXXXXXXX did not work. Yet you each decide to offer advice to XXXXXXXX as if she really wants to be helped. You will each soon hear of her demise or her rise to the top of the billboards-she got u all. This is a truism.

And XXXXXXXX, take that damn stupid ass xxxxxx pic off. Please.

Ne -your posts will no longer go unnoticed if i can help it. This is really awesome news about ed and his driving privileges. Now, what about yours?

Hi Ne -this is awesome. You and Ed on Baclofen setting the world on fire. Or maybe not so much. Perhaps if people elect to read your thread and discover the reality of baclofen and your so called sobriety, they will learn that what you so highly promote will not work for them -at least in the way that you purported to work for you. Don't worry Ne, TerryK will soon be back to rescue you and tell a few others how stupid we are. The greatest part of all Ne is this; you know that we and most others are it to help others and that you and TK are only in it for the ....? Just a thought.

NE -your purported sobriety is very much misleading at best. But just hold on Ne, soon TK, kronk, and others will be here to defend your accusations.

Ok Ne -I must be honest. This particular post of your was not useful to anyone but yourself. It made you feel a little better that you had been drinking a littlie less than 'them' and therefore you felt entitled and needy to try and belittle them. As such, you thought that people would think more of you because of your supposed alcohol free life and less of them because of their failures. Ne, there is no way that you can not feel ashamed of yourself and this post. Yes tk, and others will soon step in to back up everything that you post, but you, you will always have to remember the ones that you have tried to harm in order to feel better about your self. So, how is that four years of being alcohol free really working for ya Ne -or has it really been four years?

Ne, it is very obvious that you are a good person with great intent. It is my opinion that you sometimes allow the need to feed your ego to override the real purpose of your original intent. Again, TK (and a few others) will soon be here to rescue you and set me and a few others 'straight'. But NE, I do wholeheartedly expect you to apologize to the general forums sections- and not so much for them, but for you. Just a thought.

Just shameful Ne. How can we be more like you and just kick the stuff forever? How? Ne, seriously, TK is just now trying to figure out the words to dismantle me and, at the same time, keep you and him looking good. Bless his heart. He works tirelessly to dismantle others while only offering his statement to be 'indifferent' after four years. Ne, are you this same type of indifferent? If so, why do still occasionally binge?

Ok NE - you win. My wife just told me that i sound more childish than all of you put together. As such, I will no longer post to this thread. Ok. Signing out.

-tk

[YouKayBee]

I agree with quite a lot of what you post SF, but it's the way you do it that I find harmful and distasteful.

[Colin]

Quote Originally Posted by Spiritfree View Post
Ok NE - you win. My wife just told me that i sound more childish than all of you put together. As such, I will no longer post to this thread. Ok. Signing out.

Your wife has got your number Spirit.

It seems that someone has deleted the original spiritXXX posts quoted by Terry. Is someone rewriting history or was it a consequence of the recent s/w change?

[Spiritfree]

Your wife has got your number Spirit.
It seems that someone has deleted the original spiritXXX posts quoted by Terry. Is someone rewriting history or was it a consequence of the recent s/w change?

(1). It was not me who erased anything relative to spiritwolf
(2). Colen :
-- You have made 5 post in 2015. 3 of your fuve posts have been regarding me and/or this thread.
-- Your last post prior to this thread's post to me was:

Post by Colen on 05-15-2015:
Didn't they teach you anything at school?
Never begin a sentence with either and or but.
At least as nefarious is a lack of understanding of the correct tenses.
"But I did find it interesting." should be "I found it interesting."
Having reduced the sentence considerably, how about deleting it altogether? Perhaps you like posting uninteresting sentences."

The post that you made your comment to me was in response to MY post on My Thread (treetops):
Ok, the following TED video link really does not have anything to do with alcoholism-addiction. But I did find it interesting. Brain control? Greg Gage: How to control someone else's arm with your brain | TED Talk | TED.com

Will you any of you ever help me and and come to my defense? I can only ask that others who are not directly involved in the med sections, or otherwise, please consider helping me. This truly has been a lonely struggle -trying to post medical information or my own opinions on my own threads and being verbally attacked , belittled, if you have the time or inclination, please read my threads and quotes. If you want to to really see and understand how pack mentality amongst alcoholics work, you will learn some things that you probably never knew.

If you did read some of my posts on my own threads, you will find:
--Kronk discussing my inability to know what words to capitalize. (No comments regarding the topic)
--Ne calling me a complete idiot because my opinions are not based on facts -only on my opinions
(As if opinions are suppose to be based on facts -I thought that they were opinions) --
--TerryK calling me the Village Idot, a moron, intellectually stupid, -all on my OWN Threads.

Several of fellow friends on MWO have communicated with me and ask why I continue to accept the abuse and not go elsewhere help others who are more open minded. I guess that I can only answer by saying that:
(1) I have spent 2.5 years + on this web site in hopes of helping others while helping myself.
(2) I believe in the basic human right for one person to express his or her opinion and still have the right to exist.
(3) I have enjoyed debating with others -at least up to the point when their posts became personally mean and vindictive.
(4) I observe and research gang mentality and its effects on individuals and communities.

Again, I please request that any of you who are interested in calling me a 'troll' or 'an attention seeker' or an 'instagator', or any other number of terms, PLEASE READ MY THREADS and POSTS. Otherwise, you are falling prey to the 'gang' mentality of trying to irrationally harm another person because you "heard" he is a troll, trouble, etc. If you are willing to do this, you will find truth and you will have the potential to stand for what is right and nor just what makes you feel a part of and acceptable to others.

[Spiritfree]

[QUOTE=Spiritfree;1635957](1). It was not me who erased anything relative to spiritwolf
(2). Colen :
-- You have made 5 post in 2015. 3 of your fuve posts have been regarding me and/or this thread.
-- Your last post prior to this thread's post to me was:

Post by Colen on 05-15-2015:
Didn't they teach you anything at school?
Never begin a sentence with either and or but.
At least as nefarious is a lack of understanding of the correct tenses.
"But I did find it interesting." should be "I found it interesting."
Having reduced the sentence considerably, how about deleting it altogether? Perhaps you like posting uninteresting sentences."

Colen, I did not even know the defintion of some of the words that you used. In your post to me. Am I suppose to go back to grammar school to meet your standards. This was quite a silly response that you made to me.

The post that you made your comment to me was in response to MY post on My Thread (treetops):
Ok, the following TED video link really does not have anything to do with alcoholism-addiction. But I did find it interesting. Brain control? Greg Gage: How to control someone else's arm with your brain | TED Talk | TED.com

Will you any of you ever help me and and come to my defense? I can only ask that others who are not directly involved in the med sections, or otherwise, please consider helping me. This truly has been a lonely struggle -trying to post medical information or my own opinions on my own threads and being verbally attacked , belittled, if you have the time or inclination, please read my threads and quotes. If you want to to really see and understand how pack mentality amongst alcoholics work, you will learn some things that you probably never knew.

If you did/do read some of my posts on my own threadss, you will find:

(1) Kronk criticizing my inability to know what words to capitalize (Baclofen) with no comments regarding the topic.

(2) Ne calling me a complete idiot because my opinions are not based on facts -only on my opinions. She has said this on many occasions. She believes that an an opinion must be factually based -ok? She has also clearly been a group leading adversary of mine for over two years -when she is on the site.

(3) five year veteran TerryK has used words to describe me as: Village Idot, a moron, intellectually stupid, -all on my OWN Threads.

(4). Dun and Fred Cat have said some of the most hateful, vindictive, abusive, and obscene words to me that have ever been said to me: "I wish you would go off and die"; "you are a waste of a human"; you are hated by everyone -leave"

Several[/SIZE] of fellow friends on MWO have communicated with me and ask why I continue to accept the abuse and not go elsewhere to try and help others who are more open minded. I guess that I can only answer by saying that:
(1) I have spent 2.5 years + on this web site in hopes of helping others while helping myself.
(2) I believe in the basic human right for one person to express his or her opinion and still have the right to exist and to do so without being stoned to death.
(3) I have enjoyed debating with others -at least up to the point when their posts became personally mean and vindictive.
(4) I observe and research gang mentality and its effects on individuals and communities.

Again, I please request that any of you who are interested in calling me a 'troll' or 'an attention seeker' , 'a bully' or an 'instagator', or any other number of terms to PLEASE READ MY THREADS and POSTS. Otherwise, you are falling prey to the 'gang' mentality of trying to irrationally harm another person because you "heard" he is a troll, trouble, etc. If you are willing to do this, you will find truth and you will have the potential to stand for what is right and and help make a lasting difference in helping the newcomer and others. You will no longer just be trying to fit in And feel a part of and acceptable to others.

[Spiritfree]

I agree with quite a lot of what you post SF, but it's the way you do it that I find harmful and distasteful.

Hi YouKayBee -Essientially, you are now the official 5th person to tell me this. As such, I must step back and look at my self and try to figure out what I need to do to change myself and the ways that I present my thoughts using words. In verbal communication, this has never been brought up as a problem, but it has been brought up as a problem for me here on my out and, and on occasion, in some of my business writing communications.



In my day to day life, I have been accused of being to blunt -going right to a point and sometimes ignoring the feelings of others. Perhaps I have done the same here on MWO. For the most part, I am called a great listener and caring person. Often times, I do go straight to the point without even knowing that I might be offending someone. (And admittedly, I do sometimes do this knowing that I am not using the right words to express what I want to say -I just want say it quickly and decisively.



Finally YKB, I do sometimes try to introduce threads that require us all to look at ourselves and evaluate where we really are in our process to eliminate alcohol. I hope to always try and do this , regardless of what forum I may be on. Nothing ever changes if we do not open our minds to other thoughts or possibilities -no matter how wrong they be.

[lex]

Hi Spiritfree-

I too agree with much of what you post. However, I haven't had the time to try to get my arms around what the hell is going on with this meds thread. On the one hand, I think it is good for people who are unable or unwilling to quit (at least thus far) to have a place to discuss their experience with medications. On the other hand, I think it is ludicrous for people to keep posting about their continuing baclofen experiences--month after month after month after month--when they are still getting unhappily drunk regularly despite the baclofen!

At some point, don't you have to conclude the baclofen just plain doesn't work for you? Why keep experimenting with baclofen if it isn't working and instead you're still getting drunk (and worse yet, regretting it afterwards)? Say a person is depressed. She tries, say, prozac, to lift the depression. She journals her experience in an on-line forum's meds thread (and not on its general "I'd like to stop being depressed" thread). Four weeks, nothing. Eight weeks, nothing. She doses up, doses down, takes it in the morning, takes it in the evening, with milk, with water, with food, without food. Twelve weeks, nothing. Tries the name brand. Tries the generic. Eighteen weeks, nothing. Tries the tablets, tries the pills. Six months, nothing. Opts for the extended release. Nine months, nothing. Takes it in church, takes it while chanting, while repeating a mantra. One year, nothing. When is it time for her to stop posting about her prozac experience on the meds thread? Why keep posting- the shit just didn't work for her! Can she still post her experiences? Sure! But they are not meds experiences anymore suitable for the "meds" thread; they are now mundane depression experiences suitable for the "I'd like to stop being depressed" thread (or whatever it is called).

If the baclofen hasn't worked after 12, 26, 52 weeks, or more, why keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result (and writing about it in the meds thread)?

Just my two cents.

Frankly, all of this discord has made me even more skeptical of baclofen. Is it really helping anybody, or do we have here nothing more than a bunch of compelling placebo-effect stories proffered by well-meaning but unknowing cheerleaders? Worse yet, is baclofen much more harmful than is generally known? Dr. Ameisen gave the singularly worst, emotionally-unstable radio interview I've ever heard given by a professional and he may have even relapsed prior to his demise; Dr. Philip Thomas comes across as unstable and perhaps suffered some sort of psychotic break; Dr. Levin is no longer Dr. Levin; and no psychiatrists in my region (New England) to my knowledge use baclofen as a first, a second, or an any-line treatment for alcoholism OR anxiety!

[guapo]

Well said! Many folks on the Sinclair method thread seem to be getting nowhere also, yet persist. Wierd

If a good medication existed for alcoholism, wouldn't it be widely used and accepted ?

Because there isn't such a thing !

Gives the reader a pause doesn't it ?