To anyone more well versed in Dr. Ameisen and Baclofen than I

[time2quit]

First off is it worth getting the book if I'm already doing alright on the med path. Secondly, The Dr Amesen wikipedia page is sorely lacking. Now I've never edited a wiki page but I'm sure its user driven. I think it would help a lot of people if it were more robust. As far as the Baclofen wiki it could use some facts on alcoholism as well. If I were more well versed I'd take it on myself and will add things if I ever get to the point where I am comfortable knowing that I'm not espousing falsehoods. Just putting it out there in the universe if anyone feels they can make them better.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olivier_Ameisen

[Ne/Neva Eva]

That wiki page is sorely lacking! I don't know anything about how to do anything about it, though, and don't have time to learn right now. I wonder if the French wiki page is any better? I heard it is for baclofen. Worth a look!

As for the book, YES! First of all, it's a good read. Second of all, it has a whole lot of information in there about baclofen that you would be hard pressed to find anywhere else. Third of all, he's the Father of this whole grand experiment and the reason that we have baclofen in the first place. So even if you don't read it, you should buy it.

But you should read it! It's a good book. The name of the book changed from The End of My Addiction to Heal Thyself when it came out in paperback. You can actually get it used for a couple of bucks.

[Mom21961]

I second what Ne said. Definitely worth the read. I downloaded it from Amazon for the kindle app on my iPad. I do tend to go back and use it as a reference.

[Baclofenman]

The Dr Amesen wikipedia page is sorely lacking. Now I've never edited a wiki page but I'm sure its user driven. I think it would help a lot of people if it were more robust.

I don't know anything about how to do anything about it, though, and don't have time to learn right now

For the record, editing a wiki page (or setting one up) is a very easy thing to do - You do not need to register (tho your IP will be shown on the record) - If you can post on a forum (which you can) you can edit a wiki page - No coding - css or html is needed - Just find the area you want to put your bit in, type and save page - Easy - Dont be put off - You are here because you admit you have a drink problem - Wiki is a doddle compared to that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing

If you get stuck, send me a PM (and I will sort it out for you)

Regards

Bacman

[Otter]

Please don't bother trying to update any pages relating to baclofen on Wiki. The pages are supervised by university research doctors and they will delete anything which does not come out of Cochrane Library: Home | Cochrane Library



The editor of the alcoholism page on Wiki has spoken to the doctors in France and it has been agreed to leave the page as it is until further test results in France are published and reviewed by Cochrane.

[time2quit]

Hey otter, Thanks for the input. Hey I tried to join that baclgofenuk.com and I never got the confirmation email and yes i checked my spam. Whats up with that? Any input would be appreciated. Oh and I should be receiving my copy of Heal Thy Self today, I was planning on adding to the Ameisen wiki if I found good stuff in there. Is it a lost cause as well???

[Otter]

Hey otter, Thanks for the input. Hey I tried to join that baclgofenuk.com and I never got the confirmation email and yes i checked my spam. Whats up with that? Any input would be appreciated. Oh and I should be receiving my copy of Heal Thy Self today, I was planning on adding to the Ameisen wiki if I found good stuff in there. Is it a lost cause as well???

Hi,

Did you send a form submission? I have checked and there is one I haven't answered from this month. I didn't see it in my inbox.

I wouldn't bother with the Wiki pages right now. The guy who oversees the medical pages is ruthless in editing anything out that treats baclofen as a treatment. I spent months trying to get something on the Alcoholism pages and he kept removing it. I then reported him and he came out of the woodwork, threatening to kick me off Wiki, and we then came to a compromise by putting it under Research. Wiki editing in controversial subjects attracts people like that so I would avoid it now. I am keeping up with the doctors in France and they should have more publishable results soon. There is also the Arbaclofen research by Rekitts which might result in some really huge changes.

I don't, at the moment, use the baclofenuk.com site to blog so joining isn't really going to result in you getting any information that you won't get here.

If you want to chat privately send me a PM here.

[neophyte]

check out the french wiki page its much more useful, if you want to learn more about how baclofen works, Dr A's book doesnt explain it and he's off the mark, can't blame him since he was just hypothesising why it worked when he came across a lot of evidence that it worked, he just didn't know how . This is probably the best explanation I've found http://i.imgur.com/cEz2VWJ.png.

Have a search for the consolidated information thread 2016 i posted earlier. Or here it is on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/BaclofenFor...s_prescribing/

[Otter]

Hi Neo

I had a look at your reddit page. Nice work. You seem to have a very good understanding of how the drug works. You obviously know your stuff. Well done.

[Baclofenman]

Have a search for the consolidated information thread 2016 i posted earlier. Or here it is on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/BaclofenFor...s_prescribing/

Hi Neo - Thanks for collating all that valuable info into one area - I have copied (sorry) a lot of the links contained therin into my thesis for my GP

One thing I would say is the link to the meds section at MWO has now been updated and should end /forumdisplay.php?f=52 instead of /forum52 as at present

Regards


Bacman

[neophyte]

Hi Neo

I had a look at your reddit page. Nice work. You seem to have a very good understanding of how the drug works. You obviously know your stuff. Well done.

Thanks Otter, Baclofenman, I created the page out of frustration with being banned from the primary alcoholism subreddit on there /r/stopdrinking. I was banned for posting articles about baclofen, they don't appreciate any method to tackle alcoholism that doesn't involve AA or a meeting.

I'll update the broken link

[neophyte]

I have copied (sorry) a lot of the links contained therin into my thesis for my GP

Thats what its there for really just an information repository for people so its all in one place. As to giving all this to your GP, it might be hit or miss. When I was trying to get a prescription i was pretty much turned away from every single GP. Firstly, GPs only spend about 2% of their time studying addiction, dont have the source for this but it was posted on a video I saw on here, so often you get the stigma you receive in the rest of the population and a lack of understanding. The amount of drs who would become uncomfortable and simply gave me a referral to a therapist was pretty common.

When I was tackling my anxiety, I was seeing a psychiatrist, I told him I was using baclofen and he was very well aware of it and was fine with me taking it. Turns out he also specialised in addiction. If you dont have any luck with GPs, try that route i.e. a psychiatrist who specialises in addiction.

[Spiritfree]

Hi time2quit:

Regarding your question about Dr. Ameisen and Baclofen:

(1) Dr. Ameisen was a failed medical doctor as a result of his alcoholism.
(2) Dr. Ameisen, having given up his medical practice as a result of alcoholism, began researching information for medications for alcoholism.
(3) Dr. Ameisen came across previous research studies that indicated Baclofen might be helpful in reducing anxiety and cocaine (alcohol) cravings in some people.
(4) Dr. Ameisen experimented on himself and self reported his positive findings as a result of taking baclofen for his alcoholism.
(5) Today, some have found that baclofen can reduce their anxiety and reduce or eliminate their OCD cravings to a point -if they can stand the side effects of baclofen.
(6) Ameisen got the ball rolling for medications for alcoholism and these medications are varied and react differently with each individual -still no common 'cure' to date.
(7) Dr. Amesien wrote a book regarding baclofen and his alcohol addiction and how baclofen helped him.
(8) In the end, Dr. Ameisen lost all credibility with many because of his other underlying brain disorders that were undermining his ability to communicate effectively.

[Mom21961]

t2q... the French forum is worth checking out. You can access a translated version here:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbaclofene.com%2F&edit-text=

There is great information on that site, and many success stories. They also pay homage to Dr. Ameisen and his huge contribution. There are many French doctors who prescribe and seeing so many people achieve success is very encouraging.

[neophyte]

(1) Dr. Ameisen was a failed medical doctor as a result of his alcoholism.

How was he ever a failed Dr? He decided to not practice due to his alcoholism. this is a baseless claim.

(5) Today, some have found that baclofen can reduce their anxiety and reduce or eliminate their OCD cravings to a point -if they can stand the side effects of baclofen.

70% success rate in studies, not "some" and that success rate is for treating alcoholism not anxiety and whatever "OCD cravings" are.
Most side effects diminish overtime, the ones that remain are bearable and not that noticeable.

(8) In the end, Dr. Ameisen lost all credibility with many because of his other underlying brain disorders that were undermining his ability to communicate effectively.

Completely false and quite disrespectful to Dr Ameisen, you yourself take baclofen and owe your sobriety to him, but here you are trashing him and baclofen with baseless facts.

Talk about playing devils advocate, whats the motivation of this? Trolling?