Terrified of Going Through DT's Again

[Ne/Neva Eva]

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There has been a brew-ha-ha about the use of those meds (Baclofen and many others) on this site to the point where all the proponents of those drugs packed up and started their own site. Ironically, it hasn't been the end of their addiction.

*sigh*

There are quite a number of people who have achieved long term sobriety using a pill, along with skills.



The new forum, The End Of My Addiction - Forum discussing Baclofen, Naltrexone and Other Medications for the Treatment of Alcohol Dependence is set up so that we who understand the science and research about addiction treatment can share that information without being bombarded by people who make judgments about things they know nothing about.



In addition to getting away from people who feel compelled to make nasty, completely untrue and irrelevant comments about using medications to treat the disease of addiction, the forum, The End Of My Addiction - Forum discussing Baclofen, Naltrexone and Other Medications for the Treatment of Alcohol Dependence is also well moderated and administrated.



We would never allow anyone to make the disparaging remark that byrdlady made, when she clearly doesn't have any information about the new forum.



We certainly wouldn't allow someone like Robot to post the nasty messages s/he has written on this thread.



Robot, you do us no favors when you include our forum in posts when you are attacking other people. Your comments are abhorrent. Rest assured that you are not welcome on our forum, if what you have to contribute is anything like what you've written on this forum.



Let's work together to make sure that people have all the information they need to find their own way to end their addictions.



Peace out, y'all.

[Woody Woods]

Goodness, well that blew up a bit quickly! <Gently tiptoes off to investigate the Noob's Nest> .... Many thanks to all for the replies, no offence taken on my part certainly, it is the first time I have dipped my toes into the waters of any kind of forum such as this, and the cut-and-thrust of the debate is certainly exhilarating, to say the least ;>)>

Sky - well done for being 18 days sober!

I joined the other forum as well, before I read the further comments here, but I figure the more sources of information , the merrier at this stage.... I am reading as much as I can, from as many viewpoints as possible, and trying to digest it into something that makes sense for me personally....

Having never really posted on a forum before, it's a bit of a learning curve as to what to watch out for, but I'm a quick learner! Rather than hijack this thread further, I'll be off to the newbie's nest and make my own post to say hi :>)>

Best wishes,

Woody

[Ne/Neva Eva]

That sounds like a good plan, Woody. Most people get their start on the Newbie's Nest. I know I did, and was there for awhile before wandering down into the meds sections, when I decided to try baclofen.

Byrdlady, I know there is no love lost between you and medications, which you have always felt strongly about and discourage people from exploring.

But why are you insistent on perpetuating information about the new forum that you know for a fact is not true? Or you would know it, if you spent any time reading the thoughtful posts, support and information that are offered there. Often from people with long term sobriety, but even from the newcomers.

I would never impose myself on your areas of expertise, nor would I attack you or disparage your personal approach to treatment.

Why do you not offer the same respect, or at least benign indifference, to the people who don't do it your way?

This has always confused me, particularly back when I joined the Newbie's Nest in 2010, and it was made clear that I was not welcome because I was taking baclofen.

Why would you discourage anyone from trying everything at their disposal to get and stay sober? Particularly since the research shows that using medications while attempting to get and stay sober greatly increases the chances that someone may find long term, contented sobriety.

I would respectfully ask that you not gossip unfounded rumors, or suggest by innuendo, that we are not as serious about and committed to sobriety as the people on this forum.

It simply isn't true.

[Ne/Neva Eva]

You know what? No need to respond, byrdlady. I am just eternally grateful that people who take medications, or who don't maintain your version of treatment or absolute abstinence, have a place to go where disparaging comments, attacks on character, and ignorance are not allowed.

Hallelujah!

[Wilson1]

Hellow and Welcome!

Gstylegetto, WoodyWoods, and InTheSky, welcome to this long term forum.

I hope that you all will find for yourselves that what BrydLady says is 100% trustworthy. She has truly walked the talk and has removed alcohol from her life "her way". She continues to help others and herself by posting messages on THIS forum. Available is also a long standing and stable source of encouragement and enlightenment on this forum. They both do not typically venture into this section of the forum unless they feel that they can be of help.

You can count on one thing; when they speak, people listen. They have found their way out in their own ways. Others of us have found our way using our own 'systems and methods'. For me, I found my way out by utilizing several tools:

(1) Communication with others who shared my problem
(2) Exercise
(2) Medication (and in my case, baclofen)
(3) Nutritional changes
(4) Counseling
(5) Meditation and other brain quiet practices
(6) Changes in my perception about me and who I was
(7) Support from immediate family members

One night, in a meeting of like minded individuals, I heard some one say; "If getting sober was easy, I would get drunk every day.". That quote made too much sense to me and it pissed me off and it helped to better understand exactly where i was on the alcohol scale.

Fear and desperation is the most important part of getting sober, in my opinion. Unfortunately, after getting sober, many of us 'forget' the prior pains and fear from drinking -thus relapse. I can only blame baclofen for helping me to stave off cravings after becoming sober, but I certainly do think medications are the only way.

The other site was created in effort to keep people on this from discussing real issues relative to AUD and primarily a baclofen promotion site. In your explorations to their site, you can eventually judge for your self what they are doing. They are allowed to freely advertise on this site regarding their site and perhaps that is a good thing. Please go to what ever sites you can and chime in. Robot would be banned from their site only if robot advertised this site.

It takes time to learn who is really real and sober on the sites and who can really help you get and stay sober. As I am sure that you already know, people who are sober and want to stay that way say certain things, and those that are unable or unwilling to try to stay sober say other things.

Thank you for your posts. Enabling is easy and friendly; abstinence minded-expressed thought is extremely difficult but is worth the effort it helps someone else.

Regards
Wilson1
I wish all three of you the best in your journeys.

[neophyte]

I think there is a general misunderstanding of what true Delirium tremens is, this is not simple withdrawal that you may experience day to day after waking up after a night of drinking. It sets in after 3rd to 4th day of going cold turkey on alcohol, benzos and other gaba-a acting drugs can also cause this.

DT's is a serious medical emergency, and if you are experiencing this you need to go to a hospital where they will pump you full of benzos and other drugs to save your life.

I've never experienced DT's but the way i have detoxed myself numerous times is with a benzo taper using valium, 40mg a day for 5 days then taper off after that. This isn't anything a dr told me, just something i made up but it works for me. That said, my withdrawals from drinking were minor, hand shaking, lack of sleep, anxiety. I was far from the point of kindling where id go into DT's at least i think so, ive never done a cold turkey withdrawal and to do so is ill advised and dangerous. Either taper or use benzos (ideally under dr supervision) to come off smoothly, this will be less of a shock on your system and you can avoid kindling.

[YouKayBee]

I've experienced them, but not often and I resisted meds on a couple of occasions. Whenever I was getting sober I just didn't want to then the zombied on something else, the idea was abhorrent to me, so I'd only use the minimum and start refusing them if I felt I could get by without them.

There are lots of ways to get sober, all as valid as each other so long as it works for you. In the end the only thing which worked for me was the Sinclair Method which requires drinking with a medication which breaks the addiction cycle, along with doing some work on yourself to help along the way. The Sinclair Method doesn't generally require detox or involve DTs because the effect it has is to reduce your drinking gradually.

[Baclofenman]

The other site was created in effort to keep people on this from discussing real issues relative to AUD and primarily a baclofen promotion site. In your explorations to their site, you can eventually judge for your self what they are doing. They are allowed to freely advertise on this site regarding their site and perhaps that is a good thing. Please go to what ever sites you can and chime in. Robot would be banned from their site only if robot advertised this site.

No, you are still not understanding some basic facts

There are a few reasons why "the other site" was set up - One of these reasons was to provide a safe place for people to glean information, free of the consistent trolling of posts relating from untrialed medication to the down right life threatening - We did not want to be associated with these wild and fanciful claims - It was both costly and resourcefully heavy but as a team we got it running

Personally, if MWO had a specific bent on recovery beyond the expertise on view on "their site" - (ie AA), there would be no issue with linking to this site - One problem with lack of forum moderation is that everything is everywhere, there are some great posts hidden amongst a deluge of, what can only be described as, shit - My hope for eoma.org is that when it has been around as long as this forum it will have as much quality information, just a little easier to find - I also know for a fact that efforts were made to purchase this forum as the cash cow had died but this fell on deaf ears

Trust me, subscriptions and income from adverts will not maintain any forum

As far as I can tell all "advertising" in posts on this site have been proactive to the poster or thread and although I do not condone Robots posts "per se" in this thread, his suggestion for Woody to revert to eoma.org is a sound one

Sadly, no....Robot is here under another name, most likely having gotten asked to leave by MWO. You will notice he/she knows an awful lot about us here to only have 10 posts.

He is not banned by MWO and yes he is a pseudonym of a recognised long term poster - It is a shame when people resort to these school boy tactics - but on an Alcoholics Forum it is the nature of several beasts I am sad to say - This is another example of poor forum moderation

Regards to both of you



Bacman

[Baclofenman]

I think there is a general misunderstanding of what true Delirium tremens is, this is not simple withdrawal that you may experience day to day after waking up after a night of drinking. It sets in after 3rd to 4th day of going cold turkey on alcohol, benzos and other gaba-a acting drugs can also cause this.

DT's is a serious medical emergency, and if you are experiencing this you need to go to a hospital where they will pump you full of benzos and other drugs to save your life.

I've never experienced DT's but the way i have detoxed myself numerous times is with a benzo taper using valium, 40mg a day for 5 days then taper off after that. This isn't anything a dr told me, just something i made up but it works for me. That said, my withdrawals from drinking were minor, hand shaking, lack of sleep, anxiety. I was far from the point of kindling where id go into DT's at least i think so, ive never done a cold turkey withdrawal and to do so is ill advised and dangerous. Either taper or use benzos (ideally under dr supervision) to come off smoothly, this will be less of a shock on your system and you can avoid kindling.

Sorry Neo to have assisted in turning this tread into another shitfest - However your post is a good one - Thankyou

Regards


Bacman