Man in the Netherlands euthanised due to his alcohol addiction

[neophyte]

Man in the Netherlands euthanised due to his alcohol addiction | The Independent

This guy had been in and out of detoxes and treatments, i can't say for sure if he ever tried the medication route but given how few people actually use medications to stop drinking id hazzard to guess no. it got me thinking what are the suicide rates for people who are alcoholics. this website says*MCES

Among those who are alcohol dependent, 18% complete suicide. Alcohol plays a major role in suicides among elders and veterans

not to mention the people who die due to alcoholism itself cirrhosis of the liver for example.

its why its so important that these drugs be made more aware of, in my opinion, therapy alone can do little for some alcoholics, i know i was one of them, theres no words you can tell me that will fix a damaged reward system and relentless cravings.

i suppose i put this here as a reminder that even if these forums don't reach many people, the ones that successfully stop drinking at dangerous levels such as myself, it saves lives. when i was an alcoholic i thought of suicide everyday, so it hit close to home for me, how lucky i was to find baclofen and of course dr Ameisen's work in finding a cure*

[kronkcarr]

Thanks for posting this. I'm glad he had the right to choose.

[Wilson1]

Man in the Netherlands euthanised due to his alcohol addiction | The Independent

This guy had been in and out of detoxes and treatments, i can't say for sure if he ever tried the medication route but given how few people actually use medications to stop drinking id hazzard to guess no. it got me thinking what are the suicide rates for people who are alcoholics. this website says*MCES





not to mention the people who die due to alcoholism itself cirrhosis of the liver for example.

its why its so important that these drugs be made more aware of, in my opinion, therapy alone can do little for some alcoholics, i know i was one of them, theres no words you can tell me that will fix a damaged reward system and relentless cravings.

i suppose i put this here as a reminder that even if these forums don't reach many people, the ones that successfully stop drinking at dangerous levels such as myself, it saves lives. when i was an alcoholic i thought of suicide everyday, so it hit close to home for me, how lucky i was to find baclofen and of course dr Ameisen's work in finding a cure*

GREAT Post! Thank you.
(I had no idea euthinasia was legal any where in the world until I just now read that the Netherlands legalized it 16 years ago).

[Umpalumpa]

GREAT Post! Thank you.
(I had no idea euthinasia was legal any where in the world until I just now read that the Netherlands legalized it 16 years ago).

Just shows how up to date you are. And you are telling us about medications?

This is a tragic story but one which many here can probably relate to.

[neophyte]

euthenasia is legal in a few countires belgium is another example, a few controversial cases such as a person who was euthenised because he was blind and deaf. personally i dont see the controversy as i would rather die that be blind and deaf. i fully support euthenasia for conditions that have no resolution and impair life so that its intollerable.

unfortunatley in most countries this is taboo, not supported by most right wing parties and even the left.

[Wilson1]

euthenasia is legal in a few countires belgium is another example, a few controversial cases such as a person who was euthenised because he was blind and deaf. personally i dont see the controversy as i would rather die that be blind and deaf. i fully support euthenasia for conditions that have no resolution and impair life so that its intollerable.

unfortunatley in most countries this is taboo, not supported by most right wing parties and even the left.

Neo -I have to agree with you on this. You stated "i fully support euthanasia for conditions that have no resolution and impair life so that its intolerable." I do not know why other people do not understand nor accept this way to deal with such tragedies. I never will understand this.

[Umpalumpa]

In his book, Ameisen talked about his fear of dying before a cure for alcoholism was found.

It's a shame that the media hasn't picked up on the medical treatment for alcoholism and that the world's largest forum for alcoholics has been subverted in the way it has. I am sure there are many thousands of alcoholics and families of alcoholics who are faced with this terrible situation and finding no answers.

It was so nice to listen to Dr. Amanda Stafford's video, From Paris to Perth, in which she said that she came to this forum and found that baclofen was being used to treat alcoholism. This was only in 2014. At least in Australia, hospitals like the Royal Perth can now offer some hope to alcoholics. This lack of information and the need to rely on internet forums like this highlights the need for information about baclofen to come out clearly. It's sad that for the past year or more now, this valuable forum has lost its way as baclofen users have been driven out. If Dr. Stafford had googled now, I wonder if the many patients in Australia who are now benefitting from this treatment would have found the help they need, rather than a tsunami of misleading information about psychedelics and "hopes" for the future from genetic research and Ibogaine studies.

[neophyte]

Umpalumpa, im from Australia, i read up about Dr. Amanda when i first found out about baclofen and sent them an email with no response, i tried so many doctors to try and get a prescription, so i ended up going it alone, read everything there was on baclofen, the most useful being the prescribing guide and ordered baclofen and did it on my own. so its very much not a thing here in australia theres probably less then 100 people actually taking baclofen, not that i have any figures to back that up. its just unheard of around here when i talk to doctors about it.

interestingly though when i went to a psychiatrist to tackle my anxiety i read on his card he specialises in addiction, i told him i was on baclofen and he was totally fine, i got the impression he would even prescribe but i didnt need a script as i have a large cheap supply already. so i always recommend people seek out a psychiatrist htat specialises in addiction because they actually understand pharmacology much better than a gp and if they are good, keep up to date with the literature.

[Wilson1]

In his book, Ameisen talked about his fear of dying before a cure for alcoholism was found.

It's a shame that the media hasn't picked up on the medical treatment for alcoholism and that the world's largest forum for alcoholics has been subverted in the way it has. I am sure there are many thousands of alcoholics and families of alcoholics who are faced with this terrible situation and finding no answers.

It was so nice to listen to Dr. Amanda Stafford's video, From Paris to Perth, in which she said that she came to this forum and found that baclofen was being used to treat alcoholism. This was only in 2014. At least in Australia, hospitals like the Royal Perth can now offer some hope to alcoholics. This lack of information and the need to rely on internet forums like this highlights the need for information about baclofen to come out clearly. It's sad that for the past year or more now, this valuable forum has lost its way as baclofen users have been driven out. If Dr. Stafford had googled now, I wonder if the many patients in Australia who are now benefitting from this treatment would have found the help they need, rather than a tsunami of misleading information about psychedelics and "hopes" for the future from genetic research and Ibogaine studies.

What is a shame Otter (humpa) is the fact that the media has now picked up on the fact that Baclofen is a scam and you are part of the scam. Ameisen is/was your god and now his scam has been uncovered -just as you have been found out. To sit there and feed a family member loads of baclofen instead of taking them to them to hospital directly reflects on your character (or lack thereof). Baclofen is not the answer. Read all of the news articles relative to baclofen that came out today. Please stop with your Baclofen nonsense.

Otter (humpa), your motives have never been to help those of us who suffer from AUD; instead your only motives have been to promote your Baclofen business and Amesien. Because of your motives, you will never receive credibility -in anything.

[__serenity__]

What is a shame Otter (humpa) is the fact that the media has now picked up on the fact that Baclofen is a scam and you are part of the scam. Ameisen is/was your god and now his scam has been uncovered -just as you have been found out. To sit there and feed a family member loads of baclofen instead of taking them to them to hospital directly reflects on your character (or lack thereof). Baclofen is not the answer. Read all of the news articles relative to baclofen that came out today. Please stop with your Baclofen nonsense.

I have to quote this before the troll sobers up and deletes it in the morning.

[neophyte]

lol a scam, u have no evidence to support this, you are the sham.

have you moved on to smoking crack wilson, i thought psychdelics are the answer?

[Umpalumpa]

Umpalumpa, im from Australia, i read up about Dr. Amanda when i first found out about baclofen and sent them an email with no response, i tried so many doctors to try and get a prescription, so i ended up going it alone, read everything there was on baclofen, the most useful being the prescribing guide and ordered baclofen and did it on my own. so its very much not a thing here in australia theres probably less then 100 people actually taking baclofen, not that i have any figures to back that up. its just unheard of around here when i talk to doctors about it.

interestingly though when i went to a psychiatrist to tackle my anxiety i read on his card he specialises in addiction, i told him i was on baclofen and he was totally fine, i got the impression he would even prescribe but i didnt need a script as i have a large cheap supply already. so i always recommend people seek out a psychiatrist htat specialises in addiction because they actually understand pharmacology much better than a gp and if they are good, keep up to date with the literature.

Yes, Dr Stafford only has about 60 patients on baclofen but she managed to get her hospital authority to endorse and support baclofen treatment so I would think it would be easier to get a doctor in another area to get in touch with Royal Perth. In time the success of the treatment would filter through to the government and be used in other places. Dr Stafford is a strong minded and intelligent lady with huge drive and is touring England and other places talking to health authorities about her experience. It is a slow prices but I expect, in time the evidence will mount and we will see programs rolled out in a number of areas. These health authorities have duties to the patients they treat so they can't sit back and do nothing while Dr Safford is reporting such cesspool in the majority of patients she treats. At some point someone will have a twinge of responsibility and say "Oh sh.t, better start telling doctors r s to do something about this before I get blamed for someone dying of alcoholism".

Am I right that Carl asked you to get him magic mushrooms?

[neophyte]

Yes, Dr Stafford only has about 60 patients on baclofen but she managed to get her hospital authority to endorse and support baclofen treatment so I would think it would be easier to get a doctor in another area to get in touch with Royal Perth. In time the success of the treatment would filter through to the government and be used in other places. Dr Stafford is a strong minded and intelligent lady with huge drive and is touring England and other places talking to health authorities about her experience. It is a slow prices but I expect, in time the evidence will mount and we will see programs rolled out in a number of areas. These health authorities have duties to the patients they treat so they can't sit back and do nothing while Dr Safford is reporting such cesspool in the majority of patients she treats. At some point someone will have a twinge of responsibility and say "Oh sh.t, better start telling doctors r s to do something about this before I get blamed for someone dying of alcoholism".

Am I right that Carl asked you to get him magic mushrooms?

yeah unfortunately its just not moving fast enough the new gaba-b agonist arcrobaclofen (spelling) will probably ultimatley move things in the right direction since a company can actually make money off it, unfortunately it seems to be the only way.

Carl asked how to get magic mushrooms yes, but not for me to get them for him, i told him you can get them on the darkweb or you can grow your own, its pretty easy. anyways hes never done them yet spouts out that they changed his life lol

[Umpalumpa]

And it doesn't help to have the forum which led Dr. Stafford to use baclofen is now pretty useless, having been cleaned out of many good threads. At least there is a good forum for baclofen users, although it seems Carl is trolling that one as well, taking information about people and ridiculing the about how they deal with serious health problems. s

[Umpalumpa]

I wonder if the owners of this site realise that this section is now overrun by posts about illegal, psychedelic drugs which might influence people to commit criminal offences.

Drug forums contains warnings about posts because police do look at the and people can be "busted".

For instance, here are some rules:

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If your request for a substance results in a reaction, the person reacting might be pulling your chain or an organization that will bust you. Do not be that stupid! Posts offering or requesting illegal substances will be removed. Members offering or requesting illegal substances will be banned and put upon our ip blacklist. For the same reason it is also not allowed to post that you are a drug dealer by profession or that you sell drugs for a living. This is almost the same as offering drugs and not allowed. Member names that imply dealing or soliciting are not allowed. Soliciting random off site contact with members, is seen as a hookup request, to engage in illegal activity.

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Asking someone to provide information about the source of an illegal drug could be a criminal offence if it is put in a way that suggests "soliciting" of the supply of that offence and this site should be scrupulous about not letting it turn into the "go to" place for info about psychedelics such as LSD, Ibogaine and psychobilin. People coming here could get ideas and try scoring illegal drugs. Is this what this forum is becoming?