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[TruthTeller]

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Saving Grace,

Blah Blah Blah.

Been here before, haven't we? And you admitted it was all lies.

Are you getting the attention you desire?

Yes, before you ask, this is my first post, as an alias. Remember Sallie? Who pulled the plug before? Well Sallie can't remember her password so is now as TRUTHTELLER.

Looking forward to the slagging off.

[TruthTeller]

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I agree, MWO supports people with AL problems, Zenstyle.

But have you kept up with Saving Grace? She is a BITCH. Don't get involved. This is a woman who tried to upstage Cowgal's suicide. And when it didn't work she left a message faking her own suicide.

MWO MEMBERS!

IGNORE THIS WOMAN!

SHE IS AN EVIL LIAR WHO DOES NOT WANT TO COMBAT ALCOHOL!


SHE WILL DRAW YOU IN, TELL LIES, ASK YOU TO CALL TO POLICE AND THEN ADMIT IT WAS LIES.

I HAVE BEEN THERE WITH HER. I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE AND THEN SHE HAS ADMITTED TO ME IT WAS LIES.

BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE.

[fluff]

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Hey Truth Teller-Why don't you tell the truth and tell everyone who you really are? Being that's your name now- you were also Sallie-? I looked that up on the members list-and you were antagonizing Grace last year around this time- I believe 5-07-10....? Is there a reason maybe you want to stir up the pot? You seem like a coward to me-hiding behind your aliass...

[TruthTeller]

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Zenstyle and Fluff,

I learned the hard way with Saving Grace. I don't want you to do the same.

I called, I called the police and she admitted it was all lies. Ask her.

[TruthTeller]

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Come on, Grace, tell the TRUTH!

[TruthTeller]

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Ask her about the time when she claimed her husband was a pedophile and was looking at child porn,

Then she admitted she lied. This was just before Cowgal died. Then she did a big suicide thing herself. But she deletes everything.

She went from MWO as she said she didn't fit int. And now she's back, telling the same shit.

Fluff, Zenstyle - Ask your long term mates.

[KateH1]

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I can understand the frustration felt here by members of MWO. Truth Teller, I hear what you are saying, after the whole pedophile ruse, I was fed up with this nonsense! Zen, I understand your concerns as well. But, with that being said, let's not begin personal attacks here. Depending on where people are in their own journey and also what has happened in their past, this sort of ongoing drama does push buttons.

Saving Grace, I realize that you have appologized for this event. I commend you for that. But, this sort of drama has happened many times over the past couple of years. Each event is extremely alarming and disturbing to other members. It is time for you to figure out what YOU need to do to help yourself and your situation. NO.1 is to get help and stop drinking. There is no other choice. Perhaps going to daily AA meetings would help. Get in touch with your local mental health agency and get counseling. It is clear that you have issues on multiple levels. Most of this is not something that the general population of MWO can help you with. We are here to support one another with our quest for sobriety. Getting involved in the personal issues and drama's of anonomous members really serves no purpose. We never know the whole story, nor are most of us equipped to truly help solve these issues.

Saving Grace, please, do yourself the biggest service and reach out for the people and organizations that can help you to work through all of this, beginning with going alcohol free for good!

I suggest that we allow this thread to stop now!

Kate

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TruthTeller;1074418 wrote: I agree, MWO supports people with AL problems, Zenstyle.

But have you kept up with Saving Grace? She is a BITCH. Don't get involved. This is a woman who tried to upstage Cowgal's suicide. And when it didn't work she left a message faking her own suicide.

MWO MEMBERS!

IGNORE THIS WOMAN!

SHE IS AN EVIL LIAR WHO DOES NOT WANT TO COMBAT ALCOHOL!


SHE WILL DRAW YOU IN, TELL LIES, ASK YOU TO CALL TO POLICE AND THEN ADMIT IT WAS LIES.

I HAVE BEEN THERE WITH HER. I HAVE CALLED THE POLICE AND THEN SHE HAS ADMITTED TO ME IT WAS LIES.

BEWARE BEWARE BEWARE.

Since you're into revealing the identities of posters, how about revealing your own, you cowardly ass wipe?

[Ringing Cedars]

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Did it occur to anyone that SG may be protecting herself in her reverse admissions? And that all the stuff she posts about this man are in fact true?? Hitting her only a couple of times??? This is exactly how an abused person would rationalize and try to protect themselves from further harm. SG you must break this cycle before that one hit renders dislodges your brain. Find yourself a women's support group first asap please.


False identities to post??? Fuck off asshole!! I don't even care who you are really. Just fuck off!!!!

[stirly-girly]

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Ringing Cedars;1074534 wrote: Did it occur to anyone that SG may be protecting herself in her reverse admissions? And that all the stuff she posts about this man are in fact true?? Hitting her only a couple of times??? This is exactly how an abused person would rationalize and try to protect themselves from further harm. SG you must break this cycle before that one hit renders dislodges your brain. Find yourself a women's support group first asap please.


False identities to post??? Fuck off asshole!! I don't even care who you are really. Just fuck off!!!!

RC, speaking for myself, I believe that everything she writes and then denies is indeed true. And frankly, I think that what I believe is probably what most of the others here believe as well. That she posts the truth when drinking and in danger and then denies it because she is ashamed. Ashamed that she doesn't have the strength to leave this abusive relationship. I do find it upsetting tho' that similar things are posted over and over and that Grace is not getting help from somewhere. I assume because she's not asking for it. Too ashamed to admit to anyone in person and not on an anonymous forum such as this, what her problems are and why she needs help. As stated by other posters, drinking is only one of the problems. I have to say tho' that while I do truly feel sorry for a person who is in such a damaging relationship, both mentally and physically damaging, as I believe it to be from Grace's posts, if indeed her husband is a pedophile and she knows it, that is something I find totally unacceptable and I feel that I have to state my feelings about that as a part of the whole situation. Sorry for discussing this in the third person, but I am replying to your post, RC.

To Grace - you need to get help on several levels as others have posted before me. Don't be ashamed to ask for help. Protection centres for battered women were set up to help people just like you. To help you live a better life and to move forward, You will not be alone there. You will find women who have been living in similar situations and are working towards a new life or have been through what you have and have completely turned their lives around. It's not too late. And you need to get alcohol councelling and as Kate said, a mental health councellor as well. You can't do this on your own and I repeat what Kate said, the members of MWO aren't qualified or capable to help you on multiple levels. You need to do something now, before it is too late. Before he has injured you badly or even killed you. And the next time your husband tells you he's sorry or that he loves you, don't believe him. It's not that you are not worth a man's love, it's just that your husband isn't capable of loving you. There isn't a man alive who loves his wife and abuses her, whether it be physically or psychologically. And from what I've read, he abuses you both ways. And the fact that he can't love you doesn't mean you don't deserve love and caring. So start by caring about yourself and get some help. Please. Get away from him and save yourself.

[Ringing Cedars]

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Stirly I don't know what you thought you were telling me that I didn't know?? NOt the point here anyways. I would like to expand on your explanation for SG's behaviour. Shame is not the only reason she would retract her cries for help. They are very likely fear generated as well. Fear on so many levels. Fear of abandonment, fear of making it on her own, fear of him finding out what she has said about him, fear of him finding her if she leaves, fear of being worthy of a better life(as you already said).

I repeat her first step would be to find a women's shelter and be honest about everything. They will help her to take the next necessary steps to ensure safety and help in healing. Firing this that and the other step at a person engulfed in a chaotic dependency/addiction/abuse cycle will not help imo. Peace xo

[stirly-girly]

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Ringing Cedars;1074584 wrote: Stirly I don't know what you thought you were telling me that I didn't know?? NOt the point here anyways. I would like to expand on your explanation for SG's behaviour. Shame is not the only reason she would retract her cries for help. They are very likely fear generated as well. Fear on so many levels. Fear of abandonment, fear of making it on her own, fear of him finding out what she has said about him, fear of him finding her if she leaves, fear of being worthy of a better life(as you already said).

I repeat her first step would be to find a women's shelter and be honest about everything. They will help her to take the next necessary steps to ensure safety and help in healing. Firing this that and the other step at a person engulfed in a chaotic dependency/addiction/abuse cycle will not help imo. Peace xo

RC - I wasn't telling you what you didn't already know. Just reinforcing what you know and stating my thoughts on Grace's situation. You're right, shame plays a big role but fear as well. Having never been in a situation where I feared for my well-being or my life, that part is hard for me to understand. Frankly, the part about her being afraid of him finding her if she left him never occurred to me. I do hope she can reach out for help.
And I wasn't firing this, that and the other at her. Just saying that IMO she needs to get help on more than one level. And needs to get it now.

[stirly-girly]

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RC - I've just tried to send you a PM but your inbox is full...

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Ringing Cedars;1074584 wrote: Stirly I don't know what you thought you were telling me that I didn't know?? NOt the point here anyways. I would like to expand on your explanation for SG's behaviour. Shame is not the only reason she would retract her cries for help. They are very likely fear generated as well. Fear on so many levels. Fear of abandonment, fear of making it on her own, fear of him finding out what she has said about him, fear of him finding her if she leaves, fear of being worthy of a better life(as you already said).

I repeat her first step would be to find a women's shelter and be honest about everything. They will help her to take the next necessary steps to ensure safety and help in healing. Firing this that and the other step at a person engulfed in a chaotic dependency/addiction/abuse cycle will not help imo. Peace xo

Amen, R.C.

[Ringing Cedars]

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Cleaned it up a bit Stirly. Wrong choice of words-"firing". I just meant that the well intended outpouring of advice would be overwhelming and probably add to the incapacitation.