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**stirly-girly** · October 10, 2011, 07:25 AM

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QuitinTime;1190780 wrote: I have been drinking steadily for years with some breaks here and there - this weekend no exception - only a couple Saturday then made up for it last night and paying dearly right now.

Ive been up here time after time saying I was going to stop and I haven't been successful. I feel completely miserable about this. Ive never written one on this forum because I don't think I have ever felt this crappy. Both about todays condition and this addiction.

Bought the Kudzu - afraid to take it regularly. Does it help with hangovers?? Have the Vale book and am reading it but I really need to stop now - not later when I finish the book. I have several people around me suggesting AA (only because I confessed my little secret to them) one's a shrink and I'm off to see him this AM.

Has anyone had successful results with AA or is it a constant struggle? I ask this because 20 years ago I quit ethanol, and literally put it behind me - I want to do that again - just forget about it and not even think about it. I think Vales book goes that way. He and I and Alan Carr are on the same page regarding this stuff. I wish they had a clinic in the states, I'd be there. Whereas I get the impression that AA is replacing one thing with another. I don't want to replace AL I want to obliterate it.

Here I am again kids. ANy help - suggestions - support needed please.

Hi QuitinTime. Sorry to hear you're struggling. I can't offer you advice on Kudzu because I don't take it but from what I've read, those who do, take it regularly. I also can't advise on AA because I've never gone to a meeting - there is not a meeting conveniently close to where I live and frankly, I don't know that I would feel comfortable among a group of complete strangers. For others, that is not an issue. I can pass this along to you tho' - I've read many times here at MWO that people tried AA and they weren't comfortable at the meeting but then sometime down the road, they tried a meeting in a different area and for some reason it clicked. And I want to add this - one of my best friends lives in the US and is an alcoholic. She has been AF since September 1999 - just recently marked her 12th anniversary. AA is what got and kept her sober. She worked at a job that had her traveling all over the world and one of the things she did to help get through difficult nights in a foreign country was to find out where the local AA meeting was and to attend it. Even tho' it was often held in a language she didn't understand, the idea of being there and having the support of others was the part she needed. So I would say, try it and find out if it works for you. IMO, you've got nothing to lose and who knows, it could be just what you need.
Good for you going to a psychiatrist. And since you're going again, I gather that you are comfortable talking to him and that is very important. I wish you the best of luck this time. Know that it can be done. You can kick the AL beast to the curb. You can remove him from your life. Just look around you and see the evidence in the long-term members who are AF and many of them went and still do go to AA. Another thing is to stick by the boards here when you're feeling vulnerable. Post and say that you're tempted to drink and you need to talk. You'll have a response within a few minutes either by post or PM or someone inviting you into the chat room. There are people here from all over the world, so someone will be available to talk to you.
Wishing you the best of luck and don't stop trying. Do whatever it takes for you to beat this addiction. You CAN do it!!

**greeneyes** · October 10, 2011, 08:14 AM

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Hi Quittin. I really feel for you. I guess we all have our own version of AL hell. In her book, RJ rocommended taking the kudzu regularly. Perhaps an extra bit before witching hour, but the idea is to keep it in your system. Not for hangovers, but for cravings. L-glutamine is also for cravings. Do you take that? I did a bit of AA and was fine with it. I too wanted to obliterate it and had a successful experience at Lenair Treatment For Alcohol Addiction Help, Recovery, Mindfulness Meditation. The topic of Lenair generally brings on a heated discussion (some here did not experience success) which I won't participate in so if you have questions, feel free to PM me. Aside from that, I think that well planned supplement regiment, diet and exercise are a good route to go. And there is a plethora of spiritual healing going on if you are open to the concept of higher power, spirit, universal intelligence, source energy, whatever you want to call it. For today, treat yourself exceptionally well with food, rest, loads of water with fresh lemon, and love yourself.

**Lavande** · October 10, 2011, 11:17 AM

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Hi Quitin,

Sorry you are having such a hard time!
You quit before - what worked for you then?
The big thing for me was changing my thinking about AL. The MWO Hypno CDs really did the trick for me. Have you used them?
The CDs helped me understand that AL was not a friend, not to be used as a reward, not something I deserved after a long day. It's poison - plain & simple. They worked pretty quickly for me so please give them a try

Hang in there!

Lav

**QuitinTime** · October 10, 2011, 11:49 AM

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Thanks so much for writing Stirly, Greeneyes, Zen, and Lavande. It really means alot to have friends here. I have some al-hypno stuff from Wendi and Uncommon Knowlege and while they do help relax - I'm not sure they did much else but ya know? Maybe I'll play some of them again this week and give them another visit. Along with the Jason book. Having met with the shrink I may give AA a try after if this stuff doesn't do it. He's for it but I want to give Jason's book a shot first.

I think what worked for me 20 years ago was heavy church involvement, exercise and work schedule change so I wasn't home for "happy hour". I worked more like a late AM to evening shift. Can't do that now. Can do church and exercise though. One of the things we talked about today was that like in the Vale book theres that real fear of not having a glass of wine again ever. The way I felt about that 20 years ago was the real fear of having that glass of wine and what it would do to me if I did. I need to get my soggy ole brain back to that mode of operation and thinking again.

RE: sups. Ive read some scary stuff about some of the sups mentioned around here and have decided to table that for now. I have vitamins and the usual things like fish oil and olive oil which are good. Then theres juices and I like the lemon water thing. So will do that too. As far as meds go - another last resort. I already take 3 meds a day and don't want to be on a cocktail of stuff. I know I know this sounds like a cop out but when I quit smoking - I did it cold turkey and just quit - used the fear of cancer and the uncomfortable feeling I had with it as the lever in the mind to stop - it worked although I'd been slowly weaning off ciggies anyway for years. Can't seem to get that way with ethanol.

The plan is - finish the book - use the hypnos - try kudsu if need be - and then either stop drinking completely or start going to AA if the book didn't take. And of course hang in here. Theres a lot of meetings around here all day almost everyday so no shortage and I have a couple of people I could probably go with so I don't have to be alone. Ive heard also that it depends on the AA group too. I have some reasons for not going to AA though which I won't go into here..... but if anyone wants to know PM me. In any event this is part one - lets see what happens and I'll keep everyone posted - thanks so much again it means alot.

**mario** · October 10, 2011, 12:32 PM

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Hi quitintime cant really add any more to what has already being said, Just for you to know that we all have/are being there and it can be beaten.

**Bruunhilde** · October 10, 2011, 01:21 PM

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Ditto what Mario said, Quit, you're not alone here, we're all either where you are or we've been where you are. Keep posting. Hugs to you, be nice to yourself.

**QuitinTime** · October 10, 2011, 06:16 PM

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Zenstyle;1190869 wrote: I understand Quitin... supplements and meds are not for everyone.

Have you read this member's thread? Right towards the end of his first post he describes a technique he used... maybe that will be of some help...

https://www.mywayout.org/community/f8...ion-52724.html

Thanks Zen I read it after your note here. Absolutely cool. It dovetailed right with the book. I'll be dropping him a note too. Thanks all!!

**Unwasted** · October 11, 2011, 06:00 AM

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QT, the Vale book gave me sobriety. I can't recommend it highly enough. I and others here have had success with it. I had read Carr's book, but Vale's really did it for me.

Supercrew's advice has also been invaluable - Zen gave you a link. I'm buying some self-hypnosis books after reading his threads. I feel solid in my sobriety, but want to keep learning/growing and changing the voices in our heads is critical I think. From what I gather the hypnosis isn't a trance-like state. It's more how to change our thinking in a positive way.

Supercrew's post on the holistic healing thread about vitamins and "doctoring yourself" are worthwhile too. I'm about out of vitamins and am ordering some based on the article.

Let us know how the Vale book helps - It might be what helps you just turn a corner and "obliterate" your drinking!

Best to you!:l

**nicelife** · October 11, 2011, 05:07 PM

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I don't mean to hijack this thread but I'd like to download Vale's book you mention Unwasted. Can you tell me where I can do that from?

QT - this site is just wonderful and you will find unconditional support here. We all have our stories and we all want to see each other beat our demon/s. I wish you much success and I can personally say that quitting AL WILL be the best thing you can ever do!

Hugs, Amanda. :welcome:

**QuitinTime** · October 11, 2011, 05:42 PM

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Thanks Kids - the book has been excellent so far - I'm almost thru too....

**Unwasted** · October 11, 2011, 08:01 PM

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Nicelife, I downloaded the book onto my e-reader (Kindle). After I realized it was going to be my "bible" I ordered a hard copy - all from Amazon. Here's a link:

Amazon.com: Kick the Drink...Easily! (9781845903909): Jason Vale: Books

QT, wow, you're reading it quickly!

Hope it works wonders for you both!

**DriftyAlison0** · October 11, 2011, 08:57 PM

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I am having a bad night myself. Bro assaulted me and the shit hit the fan........But I am not going to drink.

**Accountable for Me** · October 11, 2011, 09:24 PM

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DriftyAlison0;1191684 wrote: I am having a bad night myself. Bro assaulted me and the shit hit the fan........But I am not going to drink.

OMG! I really hope you are OK! that is horrible. I hope the authorities were called and you are safe! Stay sober (I know you will). Geezus!

What is wrong with some people!!

:l

**Unwasted** · October 12, 2011, 07:49 AM

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Drifty, hope you're ok. :l I had a crazy brother who was abusive (verbally) and I had to get him out of my life (all this years ago).

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