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    So glad to have found this place, need help badly

    Hi, everyone!

    So, I battled drug addiction (pain pills) several years ago and ended up losing pretty much everything I cared about. It only took about a year for me, lost my girlfriend, all my possessions, everything. I never had much of a drinking problem, though. I'd just kind of drink socially, here and there.

    Well, I entered a treatment program, went through terrible withdrawals, the works -- was so severely depressed -- but then, after the first few days, I started to feel better, and only got happier from there. I remained sober for 2 and 1/2 years. COMPLETELy abstinent from any mind-altering substances, including alcohol. I even went to A.A. I had heard enough stories about ex drug-users who think they can take up drinking to replace their habit and then end up becoming an alcoholic.

    Let me also say -- because this is an important aspect of it for me -- that in those 2.5 years, I was the happiest, most stable, most successful, and best dad I'd ever been. I have a 9-year-old little girl and an 8-year-old little boy. I love them so, so much. I have a beautiful house and a thriving business (well, it's thriving a lot LESS now). All of these things I've achieved, and I threw my happiness away accidentally, by choosing to start back drinking. It started because I was going on a date with this girl, and honestly, she was drop-dead gorgeous and I was extremely nervous. I stopped by a local convenient store and got these local pills we have here, called sleepwalkers. They contain phenibut, and they're very strong. They made me feel like the most confident, successful, and cognitively enhanced version of myself. I felt it was the perfect bandaid, and of course, I'd just "do it one night." Well, the next day, I still had some in the bottle, and we were going out again, so I did it again. I ended up doing them for 2 weeks straight, we went to six flags, did all kinds of stuff, and I always had an excuse. Well, I had been an addict before, and I knew I had to stop. So I did. It was awful. 3 days of severe depression and anxiety, from a mere 2 weeks on them!

    Anyway, I continued to go back and forth, ya know, going say 2 weeks without, and then I'd justify doing them again (never for 2 weeks again, but for 2 or 3 days), which STILL brought on 3 days of depression and anxiety. I got lost in this cycle...I lost my identity as the good, sober man I felt I'd become. I started having old thoughts in my head again. Eventually I was alternating between Sleepwalkers (Phenibut), Kratom, and Neurotin. All three of these have withdrawal symptons, so I'd try to keep them spaced out, and also throw in sober days. Eventually, though, I knew I had to stop. So I did. And this is when the alcohol began.

    I was just SO depressed after coming off all those, I couldn't even find the motivation to clean my living space, or even to enjoy a movie! So I justified drinking for the "first few days" to help stave off the depression. It worked great... I would only drink at night at first, very responsibily, I felt, limiting myself to only after 8pm. I started out only having 3 or 4 glasses of wine. And I was extremely functional for weeks. I still felt pretty happy during the day, and was still performing well at work.

    Okay, so this started about 6 months ago. Fastforward to now. I've been drinking anywhere from 10-20 shots of vodka a day. I slowly let myself start drinking earlier and earlier, as I felt worse and worse when I woke up, and didn't feel like doing much until I had alcohol in me. At this point, right now, I need at least 4 shots of vodka to feel like doing anything at all, including getting out of bed. I've been telling myself every morning for the past two months, literally, that I have to quit, but I just kept justifying. Well, I can't justify it anymore. I believe I've developed anemia. Yesterday morning, I suddenly felt very short of breath, and found it hard to breathe, or at least that was the sensation. My chest felt heavy and I felt dizzy, lightheaded, tingly, awful. Then when I went to the bathroom, I noticed I was severely pale. This kicked up my anxiety and made everything worse. I maybe slept 3 hours total last night/this morning.

    And then today, I started drinking, and pounded down my typical 4 shots just to feel decent and not depressed, and immediately the symptoms returned. I began doing research and found that anemia can actually be caused by alcoholism. I barely eat a meal a day, and I only drink a couple of cups of water a day, so from what I've read, the combination of malnutrition, dehydration, lack of vitamins/minerals, and alcohol, can lead to this. My stomach pretty much always hurts, unless I'm good and drunk.

    But my body is now forcing me to do this. I mean, I can't even drink enough to feel good without feeling like I can barely breathe. So I've been drinking the bare minimum to function, which leaves me feeling not very good, but good enough to move around a little bit and talk to people.

    UGH, I hate this! I can't believe I got myself into this, when I KNEW better, after my past! I have friends who still battle with drugs and they always came to me for strength and advice! Actually, my best friend is an alcoholic, who has recovered and returned several times. I was always there for him and felt so sorry for him. Now it's ME! I feel such a fury of guilt and shame, and mixed with the depression/anxiety from tapering down as I have, I just feel awful, constantly! I lay in bed all day. I work from home, so I can get away with that a little bit, but not lately... I've let my business start to suffer, as well as my relationships, and my attentiveness to kids. I feel like such a bad person. And I remember feeling like such a good person only just 6 months ago, before I met the girl. By the way, when we broke up, I got a lose worse, a lot faster.

    But ANYWAY, I'm so sorry to tell so much detail... I just know how powerful this is, sharing and everything, it's like A.A. I'm so grateful to have support here.

    I have a few dozen Topamax and I was wondering, I know I've read it can reduce cravings, but does it reduce the tremors, anxiety, and/or depression?

    I also have Clonidine, which I plan to use once I cut the booze completely out. Right now I'm tapering down as fast as I can. I don't even feel like I'm going to sleep tonight. I'm so lost right now.

    Any help will be greatly appreciated. What can I do to alleviate the awful anxiety symptoms and the depression? Those are my biggest hurdles.

    Thank you all SO much!

    #2
    Hi imaginemore. I can relate to your story in many ways. I have not tried topomax or any of the drugs to help quit so cannot advise on those. I can advise that quitting all drugs and alcohol is definitely the way to go and any depression will pass but I think you know that already. Part of the depression is caused by being in a seemingly hopeless cycle of addiction so once you are clean that will certainly begin to lift. I suggest continue reading and posting here as much as you can. You will get inspiration that way. I also read and watch videos from youtube about addiction to give me strength. Also believe in yourself. You can do this, many people have been where you are and are now successfully sober. Finally a big welcome to you

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      #3
      Oh and aneamia will contribute to your depression. Get some iron supplements into you. I had that too and the supps helped me greatly as well as the B vits for anxiety

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        #4
        Hi imagine

        It sounds to me like you are having panic attacks as that was me just before i stopped drinking. I felt like i was going to die and it was like that when i drank and i started hearing voices a couple of time. I knew my body was telling me i really had to stop the madness. No drug would fix it.

        As starty has said take it easy and stay on here like glue.

        If you need to rest for the first few days then do it, look after yourself and withdraw the best way you know how to. Every relapse gets harder and harder to get out of so make this your last.

        all of us on MWO are alcoholics, we know and understand how you feel and we dont judge. Talk away as there is always someone here to answer you back.

        Take care
        AF free 1st December 2013 - 1st December 2022 - 9 years of freedom

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          #5
          Hi Imagine, you are going through the hardest part right now. Hang in there and stay the course. Read as much as you can on this website and go to the too box. There are tons of good tips there.
          Like Ava said, we are all alcoholics and know the struggle. Take care of yourself, do whatever it takes not to use AL or drugs. If it means eating ice cream, then eat ice cream.
          Like Starty says, take care of the Anemia. Get some Iron supplements and some milk thistle for your liver- it is supposed to help repair it. Do different things that you don't associate with drinking.
          if you feel like drinking visualize where you will end up after the first one. There is never only one drink right? Write some stories about the last few drunks you have had and what happened from beginning to end, including the reason you were drinking. Every time you have a weak moment go back and read the story and know that that is what will happen if you drink.
          Hang in there my friend. This is a safe place for you.
          DONT DRINK!
          Narilly

          "Nothing in this World Can take the place of Persistence"
          "You can have the life you want OR you can Drink"

          AF April 12, 2014

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            #6
            Hi Imaginemore, good user name, Welcome to the forum, You will get lots of support and strength coming here, From folks who have or are going through just what you are, keep posting, keep reading & share your thoughts, You are not alone.


            :congratulatory: Clean & Sober since 13/01/2009 :congratulatory:

            Until one is committed there is always hesitant thoughts.
            I know enough to know that I don't know enough.

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              #7
              Thanks so much, all of you! I'm awed by your warm welcome and support! I actually went to the doctor yesterday (day 1 of sobriety) because I felt like I was gonna die, like I couldn't breathe. I got tested for anemia and even had an EKG and chest xray, and guess what? NO ANEMIA! And surprise surprise, the doctor told me I was just having panic attacks. I was genuinely concerned that I coudn't breathe. I've had panic attacks before, dunno why I didn't think of that. Anyways, I didn't even mention the alcohol, and what a blessing... he gave me just enough Xanax for 3 or 4 days. Just enough to help ease the anxiety, but not get addicted to them (last thing I want).

              I'm gonna quote myself from newbie nest here to summarize the rest. "I'm on day 2 of sobriety and it's pretty awful, but I'm SO grateful to be clean! I've been eating much more regularly and drinking a TON of water. The weird thing is, I urinate very little compared to the amount of water I've been drinking, which is easily 8-10 glasses a day. [I guess I'm super dehyrated and malnourished.] I've been taking vitamins, and I have a wonderful family/friend support group as well.

              Anyways, you guys are AWESOME!!! Thanks again! Such a warm family, I can tell! "

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                #8
                imaginemore..starty hit it...believe in yourself friend,you did it before you can do it again...2017...make it your year ..there are plenty here who will support you
                af since the fourth of July 2012...howzat then America..now proudly marching into year 12

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                  #9
                  Gawd, addiction is an awful thing!... Most addicts, alkies understand. You are a beautiful, sensitive person who likely got sucked in by not being able to cope with all life's problems. I was born with anemia. Feel tired, amongst other things. It's hard sometimes to memeber how happy we were when alcohol, drugs weren't a part of our lives. But, you do member.

                  Take the first step, powerless when we take drugs, alcohol. You are a good person, worthy of love!.. Come here or elsewhere everyday, vent away. Perhaps, find a therapist too. Maybe, one that can teach you tools to help cope with your emotions. Maybe, an RX for depression. Deep belly breaths will naturally help release good hormones, gentle music, a little protein. Put fresh lemon water in if you can!... Milk Thistle. Think, it's important to know that your identity doesn't have to be this or that. Emotions can be all over the place.

                  Find a sober budy... Continued people pleasing, can be a harbour of self destruction. Boundaries. Prob, shouldn't add more. May, become overwhelmed.

                  Your right it's powerful to vent, release. Waliking, stretching, light exercise will help. Not sure if Topamax, will help. I've tried it twice. Too, much to go into. Will you please talk to a Dr? I know it can be hard to take that route, but they are usually objective. Hope & pray you'll take that leap of faith, reach out to pro's.

                  Hope you come back!... Your welcomed & wanted here. Your not a failure, your a smart business person & good Dad. :hugs:
                  Last edited by Wildflowers; January 1, 2017, 05:23 PM.

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                    #10
                    @Mick: So true, thank you for the encouragement! This is definitely gonna be my year!

                    @Wildflowers: Wow... what powerful, incredible, encouraging, wise, and inspiring words! Thank you so much! It means the world.

                    I'm now on DAY 5! Feeling so much better!

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by imaginemore View Post
                      @Mick: So true, thank you for the encouragement! This is definitely gonna be my year!

                      @Wildflowers: Wow... what powerful, incredible, encouraging, wise, and inspiring words! Thank you so much! It means the world.

                      I'm now on DAY 5! Feeling so much better!
                      Were all so happy for you!... Five days is huge!... Really glad your feeling better!... There's tons of tools, wisdom & support here!.. If you want there are some good groups to join. Keep going it gets better!... Look forward to being on this sober journey with you!.. :hug:

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