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[Suni]

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Good attitude Mom of three. I don't look too far forward either. I don't intend to put the pressure of definitely 'never drinking again' on my agenda but I'm happy I've got to the 4 month mark. I know many many people who drink practically every night of their lives and don't ever contemplate that they might have a problem drinking pattern or that they might need to give it up for the sake of their health. I look on people who have given up for years and relapsed as way smarter than those who never think to stop in the first place. I admire anyone who makes it to one year let alone 20.
My problem right now is that I seem to have substituted chocolate for wine. I need my daily fix of a bar or two of the creamy stuff and utimately the extra saturated fat is not helpful. Any ideas what I can do about it? I've tried amino acids but they don't make any difference. It's getting me down and really I don't want to start thinking that a glass or two of wine is less harmful than a bar of two of chocolate -do I !
Help appreciated guys.

[dancelot]

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Suni;804722 wrote: Good attitude Mom of three. I don't look too far forward either. I don't intend to put the pressure of definitely 'never drinking again' on my agenda but I'm happy I've got to the 4 month mark. I know many many people who drink practically every night of their lives and don't ever contemplate that they might have a problem drinking pattern or that they might need to give it up for the sake of their health. I look on people who have given up for years and relapsed as way smarter than those who never think to stop in the first place. I admire anyone who makes it to one year let alone 20.
My problem right now is that I seem to have substituted chocolate for wine. I need my daily fix of a bar or two of the creamy stuff and utimately the extra saturated fat is not helpful. Any ideas what I can do about it? I've tried amino acids but they don't make any difference. It's getting me down and really I don't want to start thinking that a glass or two of wine is less harmful than a bar of two of chocolate -do I !
Help appreciated guys.

Suni -
If it is chocolate itself, there is something called Sweetriot 100% dark cacao nibs dunked in 65% dark chocolate. They are super intense are 2 calories each (or the whole container is 140) and each one is smaller than a chocolate chip. I've found them in Sprouts stores. The website is sweetriot.com. If your an almond eater (I eat lots of nuts anyway) Emerald Almonds makes one coated in dark cocoa powder - this gives me a chocolate fix (don't eat the whole container though!). These they sell at regular grocery stores.

Congratulations on 4 months AF also! Keep it up!

[hippie37]

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If older members didn't go to AA there would be no one to pass the message on. Look at it from that respect and you'll see why AA is still alive today. I was told it was not meetings that kept you sober but intense work with another alcoholic. You can only keep what you have by giving it away! That's what it's about! That's why you see people with 20+ years still doing meetings every night. Look more closely at the traditions of AA and you'll learn a lot. Read the 12 steps and 12 traditions of AA. Fantastic book.

Love and Light
xx

[momof3]

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Suni,

I recall that my sugar cravings were quite intense for the first 6 months or so and then they became more tolerable. With that said, I still struggle with it a bit and I am in one of the phases. It seems that having a little creates a desire for more (sound familiar?). This holds true for me with other processed foods such as white flour, bread, etc. If I stay away from it, and eat a good amount of protein, I am fine. L-glutamine works well too. If you are having intense sugar cravings, open up a capsule and sprinkle it underneath your tongue.

PS You're doing great!!!

M3

[viper1966]

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hippie37;804896 wrote: If older members didn't go to AA there would be no one to pass the message on. Look at it from that respect and you'll see why AA is still alive today. I was told it was not meetings that kept you sober but intense work with another alcoholic. You can only keep what you have by giving it away! That's what it's about! That's why you see people with 20+ years still doing meetings every night. Look more closely at the traditions of AA and you'll learn a lot. Read the 12 steps and 12 traditions of AA. Fantastic book.

Love and Light
xx

Yes it is a fantastic book, ranks right up their with Harry Potter and Dianetics.

Bill Wilson was a loon and needs to be treated as such.

Did you know that the 12 steps came from a Ouija board?

Did you know that in Stepping Stones the home of Bill Wilson that there is a locked room full of Occult books and apparatus?

Did you know that Bill Wilson basically got thrown out of the Oxford Group and started AA based loosely around it's tenet's?

Not trying to be a jerk but here is a good litmus test,

A close relative of yours is diagnosed with cancer. it is shown that genetically they were predisposed to get cancer.

Their doctor tells them in order to get better they need only go to meetings with other cancer victims and follow some goofy 12 steps.

AA is nothing more than a frat affording a bunch of insecure old men the chance to lord over a bunch of even more insecure people.

I shudder to think about how many lives have been lost due to people not seeking medical attention and being told that AA is the way.

I especially love the after meeting smoking circle when it has been shown that smoking is 10 times worse than drinking, it just takes longer.

[Doggygirl]

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Viper, I'm not sure which of your two posts on MWO to date is more facinating. Your first post where you share with the MWO community your wisdom about some of the leading edge medical treatments along with your "raging erections and sexual stamina" as one of your personal benefits, or this one filled with your vitriol towards AA.

I personally think that both of your posts show disrespect for this community.

Alcohol addiction is a baffling affliction. To date, I am unaware of any sobriety program that works 100% of the time for 100% of the people. AA is just one program that works for some and not others. Your program of Bac + Nal is also one that works for some and not others. (and I'm talking about the sobriety part of it...not the sexual prowess part of it!)

I hope if you continue posting in this community, you show a little respect for all of the people here who have one thing in common - a desire to control or stop drinking, by whatever method works for THEM.

DG

[mario]

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Doggygirl;807124 wrote: Viper, I'm not sure which of your two posts on MWO to date is more facinating. Your first post where you share with the MWO community your wisdom about some of the leading edge medical treatments along with your "raging erections and sexual stamina" as one of your personal benefits, or this one filled with your vitriol towards AA.

I personally think that both of your posts show disrespect for this community.

Alcohol addiction is a baffling affliction. To date, I am unaware of any sobriety program that works 100% of the time for 100% of the people. AA is just one program that works for some and not others. Your program of Bac + Nal is also one that works for some and not others. (and I'm talking about the sobriety part of it...not the sexual prowess part of it!)

I hope if you continue posting in this community, you show a little respect for all of the people here who have one thing in common - a desire to control or stop drinking, by whatever method works for THEM.

DG

Well put & said, doggygirl

[hippie37]

Relapsing

viper1966;806607 wrote: Yes it is a fantastic book, ranks right up their with Harry Potter and Dianetics.

Bill Wilson was a loon and needs to be treated as such.

Did you know that the 12 steps came from a Ouija board?

Did you know that in Stepping Stones the home of Bill Wilson that there is a locked room full of Occult books and apparatus?

Did you know that Bill Wilson basically got thrown out of the Oxford Group and started AA based loosely around it's tenet's?

Not trying to be a jerk but here is a good litmus test,

A close relative of yours is diagnosed with cancer. it is shown that genetically they were predisposed to get cancer.

Their doctor tells them in order to get better they need only go to meetings with other cancer victims and follow some goofy 12 steps.

AA is nothing more than a frat affording a bunch of insecure old men the chance to lord over a bunch of even more insecure people.

I shudder to think about how many lives have been lost due to people not seeking medical attention and being told that AA is the way.

I especially love the after meeting smoking circle when it has been shown that smoking is 10 times worse than drinking, it just takes longer.

All validated by me as your opinion Viper; which you're completely entitled too. Thanks for your comments and I hope your own method of recovery works for YOU and brings you the freedom that mine does for me.

Love and Light
Phil
xx

[Raven.joy]

Relapsing

I have no experience of the book but can see AA has helped many many people, as this site helps me. None of us have all the answers.

[viper1966]

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No disrespect intended, like I said just more animated. Sorry about that.

Now to explain my views on AA, all I would ask is someone PLEASE produce some tangible evidence that it works. Truth be told there is none. At least that I can find, and yes I am a little bitter after spending $25,000 on a treatment program for a month that basically amounted to 3 bus rides to AA meetings a week and a bunch of other hooey nonsense. I did get a half hour with a real shrink which was the most helpful thing that happened to me in that month.

I should add I went on my own.

At least the Sinclair method has clinical facts to back it up.

AA has nothing of the sort, or am I mistaking?

[Marshy]

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Viper,

If you don't like AA, don't go! It's not compulsory (last time I checked :H). Oh wait, was that the piece of paper I had to sign in blood .

I hope you find what works for you.

[Doggygirl]

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I'm sorry that you spent $25,000 and did not get results. I'm not sure who took your money, but it wasn't AA. There is no charge to attend AA meetings other than voluntary contributions. That's a fact.

I haven't had a drink in over 18 months, and my obsession to drink has been lifted. That's a fact, and I give My Way Out and AA much of the credit for that, which is my option to do. That fact, and a willingness on my part to share what has worked for me with interested parties is all I care about.

You will NOT find me on the Sinclair method threads trying to convince anyone that the Sinclair method stinks and that people attempting sobriety using that method should try AA or the My Way Out program or anything else.

I am very happy for you that you are finding a solution that works for you with the Sinclair method. Whatever gets YOU sober is what matters for YOU. I hope you choose to share your results in a positive way. It sounds like AA was not for you. Why not just leave it at that?

DG

[viper1966]

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Where did I say I was utilizing the Sinclair method?

I am not.

Now as far as choosing to go to AA I don't, but what I find appalling is those people suffering from mental and emotional abuse and attempting to self medicate via alcohol become so beaten down that they make a mistake and are ordered by the courts to attend AA meetings instead of getting the REAL help that they need.

Yet there is not one single stitch of evidence that AA works except for some verbal conformation from fans of it.

The $25,000 really does not bother me, it was money well spent as I am 10,000 times better off since being shocked at the way treatment programs work.

Again no disrespect intended:new:

[Doggygirl]

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viper1966;807247 wrote: Where did I say I was utilizing the Sinclair method?

I am not.


I stand corrected. This is an excellent reason for me not to comment at all on the various drug methods as I really am not familiar enough with them to comment.

Now as far as choosing to go to AA I don't,

And to me, this is a good reason for YOU not to comment on that which you don't know much about.


Yet there is not one single stitch of evidence that AA works except for some verbal conformation from fans of it.

Therein lies the problem. There happen to be a lot of people that are 1) sober and 2) giving AA part or all of the credit for it. For you, that is not "evidence." For me, that's all the evidence I need - that it's working FOR ME.

Just because something doesn't suit you doesn't mean it's no good for others.

DG

[viper1966]

Relapsing

Point taken

So I guess Santa may truly exist.