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    Yesterday i was standing outside of a pub in my area and you could here all the noise and laughter coming out,and it started getting me thinking of was i missing anything as i thought they all seemed to be having a great time,i then followed my thoughts through and wondered were would they all be in a few hours ? drunk, talking stupid, sick, broke ?Thinking about using alcohol and other drugs increases the risk of relapse. Thinking is a cognitive process controlled by the cerebral cortex or thinking part of the brain. There are three ways of thinking about alcohol that are particularly dangerous.

    The first is called euphoric recall. You remember and exaggerating the good times that you had when using alcohol and other drugs while blocking out or minimizing the bad times.

    A recovering person who called himself Jake the Snake used to tell the story of the great time he had when he got stoned on cocaine and stole $150,000 worth of coke from his supplier and went off for a marvelous one week binge in Las Vegas. He forgot to mention that he caught a serious venereal disease from a prostitute, and was nearly killed when his supplier showed up to get his coke back. After being shot and taken to the emergency room, the police found a small bag of cocaine and some marijuana in Jake?s room and he ended up in jail and was serving a seven year sentence when I talked with him. He still argues that he had a good time.

    The second relapse-prone way of thinking is called Awfulizing Abstinence. You think about all of the bad times associated with being alcohol free while blocking out and minimizing all of the good times.

    A woman named Jessie told me that nothing was working out for her since she got sober and she felt she would be better off to start drinking again. When Jessie was drinking she was unemployed, earning money by prostitution, and was in a skid row cubicle hotel. Now she was physically healthy, working a regular job, and sharing a decent apartment in a middle class neighborhood with two women she got to know through her home group of Alcoholics Anonymous (AA). But in her her mind, at that moment, she felt her sobriety was awful, terrible, and unbearable.

    The third relapse prone way of thinking is called magical thinking about use. Cognitive therapists call this positive expectancy. We start to believe that using alcohol will somehow magically fix out problems and make our lives better. WE forget that alcohol makes us feel good for a little while and then wipes out our judgment and impulse control setting us off into a cycle of self-destructive behaviors that destroys us and those that we love.

    People who relapse often begin to spend of their time cycling between these three ways of relapse prone thinking. They remember drinking and exaggerate the good times while refusing to think about any pain or problems. They exaggerate all the pain and problems of living sober while blocking out any benefits. They then begin to think about how alcohol could magically fix them and make everything in their life wonderful once again. This creates a strong desire to use alcohol......I needed this today as reminder :goodjob:


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    #2
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    GREAT Mario. Yep euphoric recall is what always creeps in my mind from time to time. The front part of the drunk (pain relief) always overrides the miserable final outcome of the painful hangover. It amazes me why. The pain I try to escape from is ALWAYS more bearable then the resulting pain form the episode. Paradoxical indeed. let me think on this a bit and I may have more to add. Thanks again...John
    Outside of a dog a book is mans best friend. Inside of a dog its too dark to read

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      #3
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      FANTASTIC post Mario...

      Forgetting how horrific we felt, how shameful, disgusted, mortified, the lies we told, the people we hurt, the lows we went to, the hangovers, drunken falls, drunken phone calls, drunken fights.....I could go on forever...

      So, So easy to forget when a craving comes calling.....the tools are there, the advice etc but more often than not they are ignored, and the beast is fed...MADNESS...
      "It's not your job to like me, it's mine!"

      AF 10th May 2010
      NF 12th May 2010

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        #4
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        The pain seems to fade because it's not so fresh in your mind...like childbirth!

        Really great post Mario, and very true.

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          #5
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          In many people the memory function WAS physically impaired by the intoxication such that we really DON'T have accurate memory of how bad we felt. It takes higher cortical decision making to decide to become and remain abstinent no matter how we feel at a given time. That decision is hard to make while using. It becomes a "catch 22". Our primitive reward centered brain may always easily lead our thought to drinking. It was a well worn path, after all, for most of us. What we are really doing here is reprogramming our brains. We are giving ourselves new neurologic pathways to follow. Some of these may feel more awkward than the drink path especially at first. I believe relapse is so easy for this reason. Executive vigilance is a learned response to the cues and cravings to drink. It takes time and sometimes repeated failure before it can be consistently utilized. Great topic, Mario! Thanks.
          Sunny

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            #6
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            Great post, as always, Mario. Thank you...
            For every 60 seconds that you are angry, you lose a minute of happiness.
            AF since 10/10/2015:yay:

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              #7
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              Brilliant post mario.
              I can relate to all three scenarios.
              Euphoric recall....hmmm....
              'Was it a good night?'
              'I can't remember it so it must have been.', followed by a hearty, we're-all-boys-together laugh, but I do get you're point. It's like summer holidays as a kid. We never had a rainy day. It was constant sunshine. Funny how the mind works.
              Awfulising Abstinance.....I was just thinking the other day how most bad stuff that's happened to me is a result of my drinking. I'm not talking about when someone dies for example, because that's something that happened to them; I just share in the sorrow. I mean the times when I've fell out with the world or broke my fingers fighting walls or getting involved in something dodgy; all that kind of stupidity. They rarely, if ever happened when I'm sober so for me, abstinance is good.
              As for positive expectancy, I can see nothing good coming from a blow-out except more blow-outs.
              I watch my son doing the same things I did, drink-wise, when I was his age and I worry. We've spoken about it and he says he'll be careful, which I suppose is something.
              Perhaps we can train ourselves to think differently about the benefits and pitfalls of drinking to excess, and not in a shallow way, but through reasoning and realisation.

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                #8
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                Hi Mario,

                Nice post. Good for keeping tabs on oneself. Thank you.

                Although I wish the examples weren't so extreme. For those of us who were high-functioning, it's hard to relate to Jake the Snake. I'll give my own examples.

                1. Euphoric recall. Remember that great time in Sonoma? Wow wish we could do that again. Oh and that time in Italy? We felt so elegant and sophisticated.

                2. Aufulizing Abstinence. Such a bummer to drink water when everyone else is getting a buzz. I hate it! I should have a glass of wine so I won't feel left out. I deserve it!

                3. Magical Thinking. One drink a day is good for your heart. DH will love me more if I can have wine with him and he can have big glasses of cognac at night. I can be normal again.

                Actually #3 is the hardest one for me to relate to because I never thought AL could fix my problems. Problems were welcomed because they were an excuse to drink.

                Have a wonderful day!
                AF since May 6, 2010

                Forget the past, plan for tomorrow, and live for today.

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                  #9
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                  Gaia - I can relate to this part about your husband. It's so different - my husband drank together every night for 15 years -- definitely an adjustment. I feel like we're seeing each other totally differently. So far, it has been a positive thing overall but unsettling because it's like we're two different people in a way. Hope you guys can overcome (if that's what you want). I too worried that my husband would regret losing his drinking buddy. So far so good on my end. Wishing you the best.:l

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                    #10
                    Euphoric recall

                    Great posts Mario, Sunshine and Gaia
                    Good to stop and think sometimes about what triggers that kind of thinking and how to push it away.
                    Wally22:confusedmonkey::confusedmonkey::confusedmo nkey:
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                    November 2, 2012

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