When I posted earlier, the giant Samoan movers were descending to return the furniture after the floor refinishing and now I have time to join more in the more reflective and disclosing theme. I am sixty-two, living in the high desert Southwest USA, with my husband of twelve years, a gentleman who has been in sustained recovery from alcoholism for twenty years. I grew up an only child alone with my mother after my father went missing in action in a war when I was three. His remains were never discovered, and my mother, who had been orphaned and alone from early childhood, did not have the support or skills to manage this loss and experienced alcoholism and depression. When I was in my twenties she died after suffering a stroke during an argument with me. That night I remember having a drink that was ?different?, I felt it removed and focused me, in effect ?brought me around?. I didn?t immediately become an alcoholic but alcohol had a different meaning now, I really saw why it was so attractive and liked how it I felt. Alcohol was always more or less a part of my life seemingly with immunity in the years that followed, and even though I ended up drinking as much as a third of a bottle of spirits every night, I had finished my Ph.D. in my twenties and went on to have a long, interesting career and robust health. I didn?t think about stopping until something changed in my metabolism a couple of years ago and I started waking up in the middle of the night with anxiety and dread, you know the scene. When I thought I should stop drinking and see if that helped I found that I didn?t in spite of my intentions. I had been to AA briefly in the 80s with a boyfriend who was entering recovery (it applied to me of course but I kept that a secret), and I did not envision fitting in very well. Last year I found MWO in a routine internet search and here I am. Thank you for including me so warmly. Love, Ladybird.
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When I posted earlier, the giant Samoan movers were descending to return the furniture after the floor refinishing and now I have time to join more in the more reflective and disclosing theme. I am sixty-two, living in the high desert Southwest USA, with my husband of twelve years, a gentleman who has been in sustained recovery from alcoholism for twenty years. I grew up an only child alone with my mother after my father went missing in action in a war when I was three. His remains were never discovered, and my mother, who had been orphaned and alone from early childhood, did not have the support or skills to manage this loss and experienced alcoholism and depression. When I was in my twenties she died after suffering a stroke during an argument with me. That night I remember having a drink that was ?different?, I felt it removed and focused me, in effect ?brought me around?. I didn?t immediately become an alcoholic but alcohol had a different meaning now, I really saw why it was so attractive and liked how it I felt. Alcohol was always more or less a part of my life seemingly with immunity in the years that followed, and even though I ended up drinking as much as a third of a bottle of spirits every night, I had finished my Ph.D. in my twenties and went on to have a long, interesting career and robust health. I didn?t think about stopping until something changed in my metabolism a couple of years ago and I started waking up in the middle of the night with anxiety and dread, you know the scene. When I thought I should stop drinking and see if that helped I found that I didn?t in spite of my intentions. I had been to AA briefly in the 80s with a boyfriend who was entering recovery (it applied to me of course but I kept that a secret), and I did not envision fitting in very well. Last year I found MWO in a routine internet search and here I am. Thank you for including me so warmly. Love, Ladybird.may we be well
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This thread is really getting on.
Dill, my husband did well while on the diet, stayed AF and then, as usual, went back to old ways. He is again starting a new job so he is stressed, but mostly during the week we eat healthy...it is just the weekend.
I am 50, have a master's degree and two adult children. I worked part time, went to school part time, and focused on obtaining my degree during the time my kids were growing up. My plan was after my kids grew up, to be able to work fulltime until I retire or die as I have stayed home in the past and need to have my time occupied. I wanted meaningful work, the opportunity to support myself, and to give my kids the best gift. Their mother's independence. I started drinking and drugging as a teen. The drugging I gave up years ago, but the drinking has slowly escalated. I had times I drank too much in my 20s and 30s, but they were the exception. I have never drunk on a daily basis, mostly on weekends, but about six years ago, after my mother died, the drinking escalated up to four to five days a week. I used it to cope I think. Anyway, searching for something online, I found MWO. I'd tried AA in the past but I never connected to a group or any individuals. It was a depressing experience, and I like to keep my anonymity, and the court ordered people could care less. So, here I am. I ordered the book and packet a couple of years ago. I have had periods of AF, and have never gone back to almost daily drinking. My desire is to be totally AF and I struggle. My body reacts really badly to drink, and it must come with age. I don't know. I appreciate all on this site and love the friendship and support.
Rusty, thanks for sharing your story. You sound an amazing hardworking person, who has a caring loving family. We are lucky to have you on our thread.
Someone asked is alcoholism biological or learned. I know it is biological as you see generational alcoholism. Whole families who have problems. I also believe it is a life style so can be learned. But why are some people able to control it and others not? Why are some people's bottoms so low and others are able to get a grip and make changes? That is freewill and self-determinism. We always have choices. We don't choose to be problem drinkers but we choose whether to get and accept help and support. We choose to make changes or not.
Lav, good for you. Sounds like you are getting stronger and fed up. Maybe even angry? I loved hearing that you are working on putting pressure on hubby to take care of his yard/home responsibilities. Don't make it easy on him. I am glad to hear he was touched by your news. It shows he cares. Does he like to create drama?
My Friday was great. Worked, got off early, went shopping for Dad and picked up a few things for myself. Met a friend at a sports game for her daughter, and then went out to dinner with friends. After dinner we took a walk along the water....in the moonlight. It was beautiful. Saturday the weather is supposed to improve, as we had huge storms last night. So I hope to spend time outside.
Sending you peace and strength.Formerly known as redhibiscus
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Good morning, Wow, what great posts yesterday!
Sooty, I wanted to tell you we have that weed, convolvulous in our garden, too. It is a lot like a morning glory, but very aggressive! I'm glad your ankle held up for your walk yesterday.
Remember the two koi we put in our pond in March? We finally saw one yesterday!! It was bigger than when we put it in. I really thought the heron had gotten them. I'm hoping that the other one is still in there as well. We shall see!
Have a great af Saturday, one and all!Dill
Dont forget, you can: start late, start over, be unsure, try and fail AND STILL SUCCEED!
If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse.
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Hi Star! Cross posted.
Must make it hard that Mr. S is drinking. I don't think I could abstain if Mr. D were a drinker. Maybe I could, but it would be hard. Strength to you!Dill
Dont forget, you can: start late, start over, be unsure, try and fail AND STILL SUCCEED!
If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse.
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Good morning everyone!
Looking at a hot & humid day today! I have to run to help my DIL organize for a community wide yard sale today. I think I'll end up bringing my grandson here so we can hide out in the AC
Dill & Red, I'm not exactly sure what was going on with Mr Lav when I made him cry the other night. I believe he was actually 'feeling a feeling' for a change. I personally see it as a good sign. He really doesn't like to create drama Red - he's such a control freak, prefers to keep things quiet & hidden.
I'm just glad I'm not holding my breath waiting for him to surface if you know what I mean!!!
Greetings to the cliff walker Sooty, Chill, Rusty, Rustop & everyone.
I'll probably be back later! Have a great AF Saturday!
LavAF since 03/26/09
NF since 05/19/09
Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:
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Good Morning June Bugs,
I slept in this morning....heavenly! And, and, I actually got to sleep in my own bed for a change! When I'm on the road I always say if I know what state/country I'm in, what my hotel room number is and what my rental car looks like, then I'm having a GREAT day. Usually, I forget 2 out of 3...I can generally remember what state I'm in
What incredible posts yesterday and today...I am just amazed at the well-educated, successful and thoughtful people we have in this forum!
Chill-it's lovely to know you as well. Thank you for your sweet words. I would love to visit Portugal. My sister has been there and my mother has a portrait of Fatima that was painted by a friend of ours who is a successful artist.
Sped-That lunch Shelley brought you sounds delicious....although I couldn't PRONOUNCE half the items on the menu, much less know what they taste like. Ah, the beauty of online dictionaries! :H:H I wanted to respond to your question about alcoholism....I think it's a combination of both. It runs on both sides of my family, unfortunately. And yes, it becomes a habit....QUICKLY. I just re-read your post in that you're coming to the Midwest. Please make sure to visit Lake Geneva, WI or Door County, WI. You will find them beautiful and relaxing places if you like spring-fed water. Lake Geneva is a big-spring fed lake that has a path and you can walk around the entire lake. It will take you 10 hours to do it. I will recommend wonderful places for you to stay. Door County, too, in the Upper Peninsula.
Rustop-any progress in the AF department is great...it really is. I've had many more AF days than not in the last 8 weeks but sometimes, I'm not AF and I don't worry about. At least I can stop at 1 or 2 and I am SO much better than I was even 3 months ago....and my family says they have noticed a complete and positive change in my personality in the last year and it's because of this site. So, be proud of yourself. AA is not for me either and I agree with your perception of it.
Sooty-I can't believe how far you walked that far and your ankle held up. You are a trooper!
Star-you're sweet, too. I think if you have any AF days...it's great and it sounds like you're doing well. And your Friday sounds like it was very relaxing and a picture-perfect evening.
LBH-a PHd in your twenties...wow, I'm impressed and especially with your childhood. You must have gotten your strength from your parents because you seem like an amazingly strong woman to me. My metabolism has changed, too. I cannot lose weight like I used to and alcohol oddly enough, hits me harder now that I've put on weight. You would think it would be the opposite, but it isn't.
Dill-I had no idea what koi was....good thing I didn't close the online dictionary! :H I love your dogs-they look happy....and to have a lot of property to run around on and a pond to swim in....the best life for a dog I think.
Lav-I am glad you are forcing Mr. Lav's hand. I pray that he does something kind and gentlemanly for Father's Day tomorrow! A community-wide yard person-you sound like such an unselfish person. How is the embroidery business? I can't embroider, knit, crochet or sew....I'm totally an imbecile that way and I admire people who can.
Well, I'm off to the gym.
Have a wonderful Saturday friends!
Rusty
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Hello everyone, this damn blasted internet connection of mine is so frustrating ... and you all know what a patient and tolerant person I am!
Dill the convulvulus we get has white flowers - I have a lot in my garden at the moment cos I've not been able to do much weeding - the roots reach to Australia and back and they strangle anything they can! They do look lovely but we know different!
Strange old day today, alternating cloudy and sunny. I'm just waiting for my evening meal - Mr S has stuffed a marrow with pasta and tomato and we're having it with spinach and asparagus. A veritable banquet! Not sure what you call marrows? They are a big courgette (zuchini)
Hope Saturday goes swimmingly for us all - see you tomorrow
oodles of love
Sooty
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Sooty, the convolvulous we have here is white also. We have planted an annual convolvulous which is not a vining plant at all. It is a beautiful blue flower with a yellow center and it is shaped like a morning glory. I will try to get a picture to share. Your dinner sounds lovely!. I picked the last of our peas yesterday. The weather now is officially too hot for peas! We have lots of green beans. I fixed green beans with new red potatoes from our garden a couple of days ago. MMMMM!
Rusty, I sometimes have days where I spend a lot of time on MWO, too. Today, however, I have been busy cleaning my front porch, trimming back plants around it and washing down the furniture. It's much improved!
Lav, how is Mr. Lav's behavior affecting the rest of your family. Are your kids perplexed by it?
Well, it's hot, hot, hot here right now, but I think I will take a short stroll around the pond and see if I can see either of the koi!
Strength to all!Dill
Dont forget, you can: start late, start over, be unsure, try and fail AND STILL SUCCEED!
If it is important to you, you will find a way. If not, you will find an excuse.
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Morning,
I did get too preoccupied yesterday to post but what interesting reading. Trying to tend to the yard, clean the house, pay the bills, before I take off again. Wishing I had a wee little house with a tiny little yard.
Leaving this morning after my running group. Heading for Colorado. Can't wait to get out of the desert and into the mountains.
Rusty, I have spent a lot of time in Wisconsin and have never been to Door County. Thanks for the suggestion.
LBH, that lunch sounds even better when you write about it than when we were eating. This lunch was the result of a Whole Foods Market deli splurge. We did have a lovely afternoon. Sometimes I'm very surprised that our lives haven't crossed before this although maybe they have.
Dill, your talk of harvesting veggies reminds me of when I started posting on this thread regularly, last summer. Everyone was talking about their gardens and how hot and humid it was. Summer solstice tomorrow I think.
Red, about the nature/nurture debate. I know alcoholism runs in families but I grew up in a family that seemed to teach self medication. Problems were solved with alcohol or drugs. My father was a psychiatrist and in the 50's and 60's there seemed to be a pill for everything. Maybe I got a double dose, the genetics plus learned behavior.
Time to run. Will report from the road.
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Good Morning June Friends,
Sped-You'll LOVE Door County if you like to run. I used to run 10Ks all the time and Door County is the place to go if you want to run surrounded by beauty. Peninsula State Park in Fish Creek is my favorite place. A Whole Foods Splurge? Dreamy! I wish we had a Whole Foods near my house. My SIL is from Portland, OR and out there they call it Whole Paycheck :H
Sooty-your dinner sounds fabulous.
Lav-Any sign of Mr. Lav today?
Dill-you reminded me that I have to wash my deck furniture. Thanks! Maybe I'll do that today.
LBH, Rustop, and Star....Happy Sunday....do you guys do anything for Father's Day?
I think today will be relaxing. I'm being bad and skipping church to go to the gym and then take my 82-year-old friend out for Father's Day brunch. I'm kind of like a daughter to him. He has 3 kids of his own but they're all losers :-(
Chill-did you have your date yet?
Have a great day, everyone!
Rusty
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Good morning all!
Overslept a bit but who the hell cares :H
Actually I was up for about 30 seconds to let the dog out at 5:45 am then went straight back to bed.
Happy Fathers Day to those celebrating! It will be a non-event around here today. Mr Lav flew to St Louis on Friday for a 3 day seminar (Saturday, Sunday, Monday). I know it sounds strange but this is an international group of college law enforcement officials - they meet each year like this. Last year their meeting was in Quebec & I invited myself along on that trip. I had a ball walking around the old city all day by myself!
Dill, yes the kids are perplexed by their Dad's behavior. He has thrown off the family dynamic around here - for sure
I'm going to pick a whole lot of rasberries today & see if I can force myself to make some jam.
Wishing everyone a wonderful AF Sunday!
LavAF since 03/26/09
NF since 05/19/09
Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:
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Hi everyone
Another beautiful day here, dont know where all this fab weather is coming from but not complaining.
Sooty and Dill - Thanks for the information on convolvulous - I too have it in my garden and its a pain. Loved the doggie picture Dill. Sooty, glad you ankle is improving.
Sped - Enjoy your trip.
Star - My hubby drinks too but can control it. However, I do find it very difficult always having wine there in front of me.
Rusty - Enjoy your brunch. My hubby is off fishing so he is having a nice Fathers Day, doing what he loves.
Lav - You sound strong, hang in there.
Chill - How did the date go?
Having a nice relaxing week-end. It's been so busy the past few days, I really needed it. The great thing about having the visitors is that all the gardening, cleaning jobs got done weeks ago so I can now sit and enjoy. Just finished a library book that I only started yesterday, bliss.
Enjoy the rest of the week-end everyone.
Rustop
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Hello everyone, hope you had a good Sunday. Things ok this end - hey I undersold Mr S's meal last night, it was marrow stuffed with pasta, red and green peppers, pine nuts, tomatoes and ginger - it was absolutely gorgeous!
I hope the jam is good Lav - I picked the first of my peas today - ate them straight out of the pod, delicious.
In a bit of rush tonight, hope to catch you all tomorrow - keep strong gang
love Sooty
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