af day Thurs 8 Nov

[Catbuddy]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Det, that's a hard one to follow. Funny random post.

Dating back to early part of day, just have to add this to ridiculous warnings: I had a hair dryer that came with the warning, "never use while sleeping." !

I want to know what people are doing who say AL is the easiest addiction to quit. Yes, I'm using the toolbox, and I take the supplements every day, and use the tapes. I still want it every day, without fail.

Had a truly terrible day at work. As an aside, I've been worrried about the company holiday dinner, and how I would explain not drinking. Today I decided, F*ck em. I don't owe them an explanation. It made up for the day a bit.

Cat

[Lavande]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Det, I'm not really sure what you're eating tonight but I'm glad you're enjoying it

Cat, I have never, ever given anyone an explanation as to why I don't drink, never will. It's no one's damn business:no:
Don't stress yourself about stuff like that. Most people are too busy worrying about what they're drinking to even notice. Focus on today & making it a good one

I hope everyone is having a comfy AF evening!
Lav

[LillyE]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

YahYah, I only just saw your lovely message at the end of yesterday's thread - thank you!

KY, there are so many parallels one can draw between quitting smoking and drinking. For me, my drinking ramped up when I quit smoking. I can easily see how it could have gone the other way. I did the exact same thing with smoking - on-off, on-off - as I have been with drinking. I know now the only way to make it eventually easy and free is to knuckle down determinedly and just do it while it's not (about six months for me with quitting smoking though it got steadily easier after the first - now I never think about it except to think how glad I am I've quit but it's been over a year and a half).

But, Molly, yes, it's true, even though I found quitting smoking extremely hard myself, it is much easier in terms of social situations & support. Even smokers will support you and give you credit for quitting smoking whereas pretty much no one but fellow alkies 'get it' if you quit drinking and it's totally shoved in your face ALL the time. Pretty much every social event I go to involves booze to some degree or another, whereas poor smokers have the opposite social isolation to deal with these days but that's yet another motivator to quit.

And RC, yes, true, there is also the escape, buzz with drinking. When I quit smoking I had got to the point where the negatives clearly WAY outweighed the positives. I still also feel that if I picked one up tomorrow I could be back to a pack a day in no time flat. I need to get it through my head the same is completely true (for me at least) with Al.

Cat, I agree with Lav about other people - in my experience it is only the people who have a problem themselves. Other people might fleetingly say things like 'oh just have one' or whatever but they truly don't care if you don't.

Thank you Lav for the kind words. I don't have an external motivator per se but it's funny that motivators such as being happier, saving money, feeling healthier etc can't be enough - because they're pretty huge. I also have this sense that one has to knuckle down through a decent long period AF to completely see the rewards. Likewise, I bet if I could fast forward to an image of myself in 5-10 years still drinking it'd be a pretty powerful motivator to quit. But, as I used to find with smoking, some of those things are too abstract to be really motivating. I suspect (hope) in my case I will eventually get so damn sick of the failures, hangovers, depression etc that I will knuckle down again. At least having failed so often trying to quit smoking lets me know that multiple failures don't mean you won't find that quit that sticks. I'm just mad at myself right now I guess.

Also, I agree re low mood? increasingly I've realized that I really need to tackle that too as otherwise even if I do quit that and anxiety will remain a risk factor to draw me back.

Ok, gotta run. Thanks again guys.

[Catbuddy]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Lilly, it's so nice to meet you. I hope you stay posting - your thoughts are really helpful to me.

Okay, fair warning. This is going to be a rant; feel free to skip it entirely. Or rant on your own pissed off feelings from today.

The crappy reality I work in is that (1) my boss affords me little to no respect, and (2) I am the butt of humor frequently. So, today. BAD day. I'm a CFO, ex-investment banker, spent my career raising capital and selling companies. When it suits him, I am his right hand man. When not, I am retired to a corner. We are in the process of buying a company. Today was due diligence. I was giving the seller guidance on how his financials would have to undergo a mini audit. The head of sales chimed in, "auditors are bleak people." I said nothing (I'm not an accountant nor an auditor). Ten minutes later he adds, "Now Kathryn, she's loads of fun. I was telling the sales team yesterday at the offsite in Santa Cruz, how Kathryn boogie boarded with her son in these very waves. " "Kathryn, reallly, out there cutting up? Say it isn't so." He continues on, "yep, unlike most boring finance people, she know how to have fun." My boss, who vies with AL for the title Dick Head, says, "yeah, but you should see when she drinks. She really gets crazy then." Great. Wonderful thing to say to my future colleague.

So, Holiday dinner in a company of 16 people. No thank you, I don't drink. And anything further is none of their damn business. Lav, that is absolutely where I am settling. Give me a virtual slap if I forget that again.

Cat

[Determinator]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

I've managed to do most all holidays AF for the last several years and must say they are SOOOOO much better in every way.

quick non partisan political observation: our military did NOT get a chance to vote. they got screwed. confirmed now from several sources. here's one: Military Absentee Ballots Delivered One Day Late, Would Have Swung Election For Romney | The Duffel Blog

that makes me furious.

ok, time for yet another 'calm down' green tea

Lav, Kombucha is a traditional Japanese fizzy health drink. it's really unusual and fun. sort of like a sophisticated tasting semi-sweet (almost tart) soft drink.

started using my TRX 'fitness anywhere' device and I'm pleasantly sore. yay

be well peeps

[TheSunFlower]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Det....I am sorry to hear how the vote will have an effect on your job. Too many do not realize how far reaching this vote was. I am on your side But, this is not a politcal forum and most here are not from the US.

I am not feeling happy and strong today.....but, still sober.

[Determinator]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

indeed Sun. speaking of which it's cool and interesting to see how many friends we have here from the UK on such a small forum. someday I'm going to get a recipe for haggis and give it a whirl dang it.

arritey, I go to check chat..... the late night underground posse

[LillyE]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Determinator;1408170 wrote: I've managed to do most all holidays AF for the last several years and must say they are SOOOOO much better in every way.

quick non partisan political observation: our military did NOT get a chance to vote. they got screwed. confirmed now from several sources. here's one: Military Absentee Ballots Delivered One Day Late, Would Have Swung Election For Romney | The Duffel Blog

that makes me furious.

Det, I'd vowed to stop any talk of politics here but I can't keep my mouth closed on this one because it's just complete bunk.

No offense, but look at the source here! This is a light piece of military satire that has been, as so often happens, republished and misconstrued all over the web by those who would love this to be true.

If there were any truth in this wouldn't it be major news?

Now, breathe deeply, and look at this debunking of this satirical news story:

snopes.com: Military Absentee Ballots Delivered One Day Late

Ok, zipping lips now!

[Catbuddy]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

DET

Ipsa scientia potestas est.

(Knowledge itself is power).

[Catbuddy]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Yeesh, cross post with Lilly. I was contributing a random memory of Latin from my HS days.

Cat

[LillyE]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Cat *waves hello* thank you for that! And I'm so sorry that your boss is such a complete and total ARSE! I suppose a job change is out of the question? It's not nice to live with disrespect day in and day out.

I had a boss like this once. When I returned to being self employed any time things were tough I would think of his big piggish sexist face and feel determined to make it work. I made one silly mistake there early on - nothing drastic and, hell, I was young and learning the job - and he started calling me 'bungle' day in and out for the rest of the time I was there. (In case that doesn't translate to Americans to bungle something means basically to screw it up). Can you imagine? So humiliating! Basically just telling me I was a fuck-up day in and out topped with sexist comments inbetween. God, it's years later and STILL makes me furious to think about!

I'm mentally kicking your boss in the shins for you!

[Determinator]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

whew! I'm glad that's a noper snoper.

[Determinator]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

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[Determinator]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

anyone on monthly ABs doing hypno? I'm in the market for some new tracks and looking for recommendations.

[kuya]

af day Thurs 8 Nov

Determinator;1408205 wrote: anyone on monthly ABs doing hypno? I'm in the market for some new tracks and looking for recommendations.

I have used holosync for years, i love it!