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[porqoui]

af day Thurs 15 Nov

Determinator;1412058 wrote: well done YAH!

I'm afraid I f*cked up last night and drank while on the road. I'm ashamed and have no excuse.
I'm just hoping I can get this under control asap. at least I'm home now.

be well my friends

:l And 'nough said!

Just remember...

[nurdl]

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That... Is So Mick! Well done PPQ!

[LillyE]

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YAHYAH! 100 days is huge! It's my current new goal - being as I did 80 last time. Go you good thing. You, and all you other abstaining ab fabbers, are my inspiration. :wave:

Mick my dear, use the wedding as a reinforcing tool because doubtless there will be plenty of drunks acting like total tools and you can think - thank god that isn't me any more. Go well! Good on you for strategising re the driving. Smart man.

Det, :l is all I can say… that and you really fuck up when you stop being here, stop trying altogether. Having said that, clearly what you've been doing so far as far as having an AF game plan isn't entirely working for you - and I completely speak for myself here too. For that reason, I've been trying to look at what my plan/strategy is and what I can do to push it a bit further because clearly something has to shift to make it stick. I certainly don't have any answers yet but what I'm saying is that maybe you need to be thinking along these lines too? What else could you do/try? Is it the same triggers that keep tripping you up? What can you change? In the meantime, more :l

So, don't know if you guys caught earlier that I said I had been assigned four articles to write about wine this week. I didn't think it would be an issue as I don't have to taste any wine to write about it. WRONG

I had to interview someone at Riedel this morning (you know, fancy expensive wine glasses) and they INSISTED on sending me some glasses so I can 'experience the difference' for myself. Well, Whoosh… off goes my addictive brain whirling about how I just *have* to try that one bottle from these oh-so-special glasses. Mind you, this is after listening to the guy wax on for half an hour about aromatics, opening up the bouquet, blah blah seductive wine wank…

Even typing it out now I realize how ridiculous this is. It's just my booze brain looking for an excuse to drink and voila! Like being handed the perfect vessel, so to speak. But no glass is going to make a difference to my drinking problem. No glass is going to make me drink just that one lovely perfect glass we all want to drink (rather than guzzling the entire bottle). But, shit, it reminds me how on guard we have to be and how our addiction will do anything to fool us into believing we just "have" to drink on "just this drink" on just "This" occasion.

Bollocks.

Tree Tops, interesting your comment about the pinot set in that context… this guy was also raving on about how amazing pinot glasses are and how it's the right glass that really makes people wake up to the beauty of pinot and blah de blah. It made me wonder just how many people in the industry are alcoholics. I mean, what a perfect place to be if you are. You can justify it all as being a wine expert and connoisseur and how can your colleagues question you without questioning the very industry they work in/glorify .. truly, it must be the great elephant in the living room in that industry.

As my (great, supportive) friend said, "Well, you can see if your soda water tastes any different in those $100 glasses". :H

[kuya]

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nurdl;1412010 wrote: Kuya, be careful with the minerals. I upped my B-complex and my Magnesium and Potassium. I started getting terrible joint and muscle pains a few weeks ago. When I stopped with the extra minerals that went away. I must have overdosed myself.

Thanks for the warning Nurdl, it is sooooo hard to get the balance right, if only we hadn't messed with nature in the first place eh?

[kuya]

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scottish lass;1412056 wrote: Just found a med called Alteril - it has tryptophan, melatonin and valerian root in one capsule - anyone tried it???
Thanks for all the help and advise. I actually don't stress it too much as it is not drunk non sleep. I am relaxed and settled, I just worry about how long I can go on minimal sleep before I get effects....
Hope everyone had/is having, and for those in my timezone, will have a peaceful good night....:l

I wonder if I can get it in NZ...... The custom nazis have issues with trytophan, I have been lucky so far but they confiscated my last lot of GABA.....AAAARRRRRGGGHHH !

[kuya]

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Lilly .....I hear you on changing up your game plan. One thing that works for me this quit is the realization that society WANTS me to drink! I know that sounds odd but when I examine the facts it appears that we, at the extreme end of drinking, allow the rest of society to feel NORMAL.
I know when I tell people I don't drink......which is often....it unsettles THEM !

I feel like a pioneer, a sense of great pride and not a victim. Perhaps you and DET could use that as a 'go to' feeling.

I am proud of my sobriety, I am proud of myself and possess a strength of character rarely encountered in 'normal' people.

If you slip and drink you are not a failure, you are just being ordinary, be EXTRAORDINARY.

ANYONE can drink.

[LillyE]

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Kuya I love that!!! That is a great approach. I have experienced the same and particularly with friends who drink a bit too much but perhaps not quite as much as me. Makes it easier for them, to think 'well, I'm ok, at least I don't drink as much as Lilly and Kuya'. I have one friend who clearly has a drinking problem, CLEARLY (I mean, this women can sock it away and does so regularly). In fact, she used to have a hard drug addiction and did do NA/AA years ago and was sober for a whole six months. Now, because she drinks heavily and smokes a heap of dope but doesn't do smack presumably it's all ok.

Recently she was making comments about me not drinking... 'well maybe it affects you more because you're a little person'. Um, thanks. And also, yeah right! Like I've haven't often seen you slobbering drunk honey - often. It's just her desperately trying to make sense of why I've quit but it's ok for her to keep drinking.

The alcohol industry certainly wants us to drink. There's that whole stat about 80% of the booze being sold to 20% of the population. That'd be us kids.

[kuya]

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LillyE;1412085 wrote:
Recently she was making comments about me not drinking... 'well maybe it affects you more because you're a little person'. Um, thanks. And also, yeah right! Like I've haven't often seen you slobbering drunk honey - often. It's just her desperately trying to make sense of why I've quit but it's ok for her to keep drinking.

The alcohol industry certainly wants us to drink. There's that whole stat about 80% of the booze being sold to 20% of the population. That'd be us kids.

I know people who drink very little because their metabolism can't handle it..... I have the constitution of an ox ( and an arse to match!). They are still alcoholics.......they NEED to drink. Because they drink less they state they have no problem but you try and stop them having their one or two wines and Hey Presto.....alcohol tantrums.

It's poison Lilly and I don't drink it anymore. I feel sorry for those that still delude themselves that it is NORMAL.

When I read articles saying how 'one glass of red wine daily CAN BE good for you' it makes me cringe. Who does this research? Who pays them to do it?
I am sure it could be proved that a small amount of heroin every day is good for something...... Hogwash and bollocks......alcohol is nothing but a chemical byproduct of decaying vegetation.
Some say 'oh but man has been drinking alcohol since recorded time' , yeah and man has also been committing murders and other nonsense for the same time......so what!

Rant over......... I'm just annoyed with myself for swallowing ( no pun intended) the lie.