can i just say...

[patrice]

can i just say...

Hi Betty,
Kill the sugar as soon as you can, it's a killer

[bettygirl]

can i just say...

well, i know that!!!

i am going for no sugar tomorrow...if i can quit drinking, i can do it. i have been taking cinnamon, l-glute and omegas and am mentally prepared to get over the hump...

det, thanks for the advice, we have had many a discussion about the paleo versus vegan thing in the past (remember, i'm peacenik!)...but i have never had crashes like that in the past. i know part of it was from not eating a proper lunch and no snack in the afternoon. i eat pleanty of nuts and seeds and coconut and olive oil, so fat isn't a problem...also, plants have protein!!! love lentils and beans...quinoa is another staple.

thanks for the advice, i was more venting than anything!

peace

[Doggygirl]

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BG - I feel your pain. When I quit drinking 5/22/2008, I followed the My Way Out book recommendations and adopted a low carb diet. I was faithful to that approach (NO sugar, flour, etc.). I lost 60 pounds and didn't suffer from the horrid sugar cravings. Well, I'm sure I was suffering from cravings for sugar the first few weeks but I just chalked that up to AL withdrawal and suffered through it!

Anyway....after losing all that weight, eating no sugar (or related stuff), and maintaining that for almost 2 years???.....

I LET SUGAR BACK IN THE DOOR!!! OMG what a huge mistake. I've been paying and paying and paying for that one ever since. It's just like AL. The "stinkin' thinkin'" such as....

"just one.."

"just today - I'll start my low carb thing tomorrow..."

"I can control this..."

Geez. Sound familiar???

Turnagain;1413211 wrote: Hiya Betty....

I had a problem with sugar even before I became an addicted drinker and I often wonder if I ended up becoming an addicted drinker because alcohol is the jet fuel of sugars. .....
I have wondered the very same thing. My parents didn't keep a lot of sweets around the house when I was a kid, but whenever I had access, I was like a junkie on crack. (or a middle aged female executive on wine...:H)

I will tell you this...even now, with all this work...once I DO eat anything with a lot of sugar in it...I am a craving machine. I want more and more and more and more and more. Just like alcohol. Hmmmmmm. Same shit...just different forms.

Craving machine. That is a perfect way to describe it. Me too.

Anyway...I've been off sugar (again) for about a week now and really need to make this stick. Should we start a sugar free challenge thread???

Good luck BG and all who are engaged in this battle!

DG

[Determinator]

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Doggygirl I love the idea of a sugar free thread!

Betty there's no reason that veganism and paleo should be at odds with one another. in fact there are a lot of vegetarian/vegan paleo aficionados that have some great blogs with recipes for all to enjoy. you may find the Kitavan diet from the indigenous people from the New Guinea peninsula to be of interest. they eat a high carbohydrate diet but it's all from starches based on tubers and not grain. they also don't eat any sugar. the net result is a healthy population free of 'western disease'. so there's more than one way to get the job done!

[bettygirl]

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cool thanks det!

i am in dg!!! i have had headaches and been feeling like garbage (garbage in, garbage out!), in spite of my good diet. the sugar is making me feel so bad...i hate it! i'm "un-hung", why am i making myself feel shitty with sugar!!! argh! it's over! thank goodness i don't use sugar in my tea! i'll be drinking a lot of it (as usual) today.

let's do this people!

[bettygirl]

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i think i am kind of a veg paleo person anyway, det. i don't eat many processed foods, don't eat simple carbs, and try to eat foods as close to their natural state as possible. since we moved to washington, my access to fresh food has improved vastly, so i am sort of in paradise as far as local, organic, fresh food goes. you're right, no reason the two philosophies are at odds. good to "see" you again, my friend!

[Determinator]

can i just say...

cool! you are on the win as far as my nutritional sensibilities indicate. I also battle the sugar periodically when I fail with my stress reduction. and when I do take the plunge it's quite interesting that it gives me similar nightmares that I get with AL binges. creepy stuff. I know you are a fighter and we'll beat this together.

xxxx

[bettygirl]

can i just say...

i sometimes wonder if my diet is what has kept me from getting really sick through all my drinking years...i often felt like such a hypocrit when i ate so well, but destroyed it all by drinking so damn much every single day. it baffles the mind...don't know if i'm a fighter, more of a surrenderer, now! (is that a word!?).

peace!

[Determinator]

can i just say...

hey I can relate! I can teach it, preach it, but just can't seem to reach it.

hmmmm kind of a cool rhyme.

[Raven2012]

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Betty Girl, maybe I'm in the minority but your avitar makes me cringe. Surely that isn't you? I love the way you think and guide the discussion with your ideas, maybe something more uplifting?

Also, ancient grains like quinoa, spelt are so fantastic for the body, so are seaweed and kelp. Spices are fantastic and can stand in for salt and fat to add flavor to foods. There are so many ways to eat better without the traditional fat and salt.

[bettygirl]

can i just say...

well, in my mind, that is a representation of alcohol and all it's ugliness...if it offends that much, i will change it, gladly!

also, vinegar is good for flavor and detox, especially apple cidar with the "mother".

[kuya]

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Oooooo no,I preferred the other one.....at least he was having fun........this one feels like I am about to be raped! LOLOLOLOL !

Just kidding.......I presume that is you?

[bettygirl]

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um, yeah.

[Raven2012]

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Hi Betty,

I'm sorry if I hindered your self-expression. I guess the old Betty Girl was kind of funmy but scary! I just hope you're feeling OK, cause sometimes if you don't feel good on the inside it comes out in how you see yourself, I was expecting to see maybe a sunrise but the new Betty Girl isn't much more inviting than the old,ooh here I go again probably getting you peeved. I'm sorry. Please just be who you want to be. You sound really intellegent and positive and that's why I get confused

[bettygirl]

can i just say...

well, seeing how that is a picture of me, it does feel slightly hurtful. it was a beautiful cold winter's day and i was enjoying a lovely walk staying warm with a face mask and hat. the last two comments have actually really hurt my feelings today. so weird, i've had such a great day and these two negative things have had this weird power to make me feel kind of sad and weird...