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**Raven.joy** · November 21, 2012, 03:04 PM

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its still wednesday in uk. Also christmas is not summer hols, quite the opposite. I went to NZ on honeymoon, gorgeous country and totally reversed seasons to what I am used to

**Determinator** · November 21, 2012, 04:07 PM

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top of the day treetops and Raven. seriously only 3 of us so far? wowsers, everyone must be off doing last minute shopping for Thanksgiving (in the US anyhoos).

glad to be home and AF. bout all i got to say about that.

be well everyone

**kuya** · November 21, 2012, 04:31 PM

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Everyone is confused DET cos Treetops is a kiwi and,like me, is a day ahead of most people.
Tree, I love your take on the dinner not being a movie production....so true. I blew my last quit by getting far too het up over Xmas........didn't eat right.....got hungry......got envious of everyone drinking and BAM....off the wagon. Have learnt from that I hope....no movie productions this year!

SL.... Hanging in there, well done. When it comes down to it we torture ourselves with all these thoughts re alcohol when it is really simple. Once you truly accept that you CANNOT drink moderately ( which I now do) there is only one choice DRINK or DON'T DRINK.

Any moment when I think about drinking there is no longer a debate.....it is continue being SOBER or ALCOHOLIC, no middle ground so the choice becomes easy.

Yah yah .... Let me know about the quit buddy thing. WF was gonna quit with me but has decided to wait til Jan. I would like to do this now.....you up for it?

SUN ...... More thoughts on different alcohols ..... Beer is more dilute so maybe the extra fluid makes a difference .....flushes toxins and doesnt dehydrate as badly

**kuya** · November 21, 2012, 08:11 PM

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Bump....for Cantoo.....poor dear gets so confused

**LillyE** · November 21, 2012, 08:23 PM

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Happy Thanksgiving Northern Hermisphere Abbers! Though I believe it's actually tomorrow there, no?

I'm actually going to a Thanksgiving picnic on the weekend with a bunch of ex pats. I'm making peanut butter and jelly ice cream to take. Not traditional, no, but very American, yet befitting the weather here this time of year.

I have been out of the loop the last few days once again but I'm here, not drinking. I was naive about the wine articles though - it sucks to have to listen to people wax on about how wonderful wine is when you're in early AF days. Oh well, lesson learnt.

Hope everyone is well and that the holiday stress/festivities doesn't prove too tempting for anyone. Stay strong.

Lilly x

**TheSunFlower** · November 21, 2012, 08:49 PM

af day Thurs 22 Nov

Still Wednesday here.....

Kuya on the withdrawal thing.....I think you are right....everyone is different. Just as all our drinking habits were different.....so was what we drank.

I was really just curious on people's thoughts if there is difference between beer, wine or hard liquor withdrawals.

I do know that I drink ALOT of water all the time (still do). So maybe being more hydrated....when I was de-hydrating myself....made a difference. Who knows

YAH....I used to have two rental properties. I don't envy you. Good Luck.

Quiet Thanksgiving Day here.....and I am THANKFUL for that!

**treetops** · November 21, 2012, 11:13 PM

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Hi Sunflower
you asked about withdrawal/quitting and type of liquor - these past years I have been pretty much a wine drinker and my withdrawal has mostly been around issues of habit/cravings and the energy it appeared to gave me. It was a post 4pm thing. I also ate pretty healthily when not drinking - always had breakfast, lunch - although my interest in dinner waned when I was actually drinking. I usually stopped drinking later in the evening and then would get hungry (a great way to gain weight). Still I have managed to do some pretty serious liver damage with this - that hopefully - is being repaired now.

I was also good at cooking and caring for others and quietly (I thought - actually not so quietly) getting trashed. Especially easy with a relatively small body frame and limited food intake. If my partner would object to my drinking - I could use the 'trade' that I had done all the work while he laid on the sofa and relaxed. Does that sound familiar to anyone out there?

**kuya** · November 21, 2012, 11:25 PM

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treetops;1415266 wrote: Hi Sunflower
you asked about withdrawal/quitting and type of liquor - these past years I have been pretty much a wine drinker and my withdrawal has mostly been around issues of habit/cravings and the energy it appeared to gave me. It was a post 4pm thing. I also ate pretty healthily when not drinking - always had breakfast, lunch - although my interest in dinner waned when I was actually drinking. I usually stopped drinking later in the evening and then would get hungry (a great way to gain weight). Still I have managed to do some pretty serious liver damage with this - that hopefully - is being repaired now.

I was also good at cooking and caring for others and quietly (I thought - actually not so quietly) getting trashed. Especially easy with a relatively small body frame and limited food intake. If my partner would object to my drinking - I could use the 'trade' that I had done all the work while he laid on the sofa and relaxed. Does that sound familiar to anyone out there?

'twas my life to a tee, minus the liver damage and I would start drinking at 7pm ish

Oh and Hi Lilly......good to see you as always !

**CanToo** · November 22, 2012, 12:21 AM

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:H alright I'll jump into the future.

Just a quick :hallo: before my head hits the pillow (had more to say on your yesterday).

Have a great Thanksgiving and Black Friday for all our American members. Just think how much better the crowds will be AF!

Nite y'all

CT

**TheSunFlower** · November 22, 2012, 12:53 AM

af day Thurs 22 Nov

Thanks Treetops. It does give some insight. I never had to care for others than outside my family circle.

I still find myself making excuses in my brain......I have never missed a child's event, I never drank in the am, I don't drink wine or hard liquor...the worst was over in 24 hours. My post was on my way to a slip or relapse.....duh. I can see it now.

Although all of the above is true.....I really don't want to go back to the way I lived before. I just made it to the child's event by the skin of my ass....and hungover to boot......I never drank in the am....but damn was counting them minutes to 5pm.....no wine or hard liquor....but, found myself enteraining them.....as friends spoke of how much quicker it got them to chase faster....and needed less drinks.

I am living in scary ground now....as my brain is entertaining such thoughts. I fear that I will go onto wine......then make the crossover to hard liquor!

I am glad that all shops are closed tommorrow.....and just maybe I can get my head screwed back on!

SF

**Determinator** · November 22, 2012, 03:40 AM

af day Thurs 22 Nov

Sun, this will cheer you up: Podcast

check out the latest podcast with Tim Ferris on Robb Wolf's show. great stuff.

well, it's officially time to say a very early

Happy Thanksgiving!!!!!! oinkety-oink oink!

I better get some sleep.

**maddiemadison** · November 22, 2012, 05:15 AM

af day Thurs 22 Nov

Sunflower

Thoughts are with you, keep strong and remember how good you feel without it

**kuya** · November 22, 2012, 05:30 AM

af day Thurs 22 Nov

Sun....do you think these thoughts may be due to some emotion you are trying to block out ATM?
I know I desired alcohol to shut down painful feelings, grief and anger being the biggest.

Just a thought

**maddiemadison** · November 22, 2012, 05:38 AM

af day Thurs 22 Nov

Kuya,

Me too, my darkest times were when I struggled emotionally, thanks for the reminder

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