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    af day Tues 22 Jan

    morning all...no pitcher this morning....hmm too busy enjoying the sunshine :H How are we all today then?
    Right lets get started ...Im doing chauffeur again today!!
    Tea and coffee on the go now

    Mornin pitcher ..and how are you today? take it you are a wee bit busy?

    Mornin Rabsy..you ok today? where are we today? teachin waifs n strays? Are th schools not shut up there? Down here there were over 5000 shut I think they said...how come they never shut them when I was a kid...cant remember it ever happening!!!See Dunkeld is takin a hammering with the snow

    Morning Kuya...how are you today? Nah you cant blame everything on drink...there is a wee word called age that you forgot :H
    My friend got in touch yesterday..they are back in Auckland now....kids not impressed..they had never seen snow and had been promised that they would see it over here ...nowt...then yesterday and today there is loads of it! You behavin like Lav said? I am ..the mood says it!!!hope you are ok mate

    Mornin Cinders...how are you today? that post you put up yesterday was excellent..thank you..Ive read it a couple of times now ..and still picked up on wee bits I missed..for anyone else well worth reading..what are your plans for today anything?

    Morning Nurdl...and how are you this morning?Im chuffed that you like the how to annoy...and if it helps in any way to cheer your friend up even better..If there is anything I write that you can use help yourself...oh except for trying to blackmail me, extort money, or get me chucked in jail....hmm 3rd one aint that bad!!!Yep ,I noticed Patrick too...tho it doesnt make sense ...a silent Irishman have a great day


    Morning Lavande....every picture tells a story..look at my mood...of course Im behaving!!!How are you today?
    How did the shopping trip go? spent out?Well sit down and have a coffee ..here you go.We got more of the same weather today, so wont be going far in this..quiet day..Have you any plans? Dust bunnies etc

    Good morning Phil...nice to see you .Its great when people come back and say this worked this didnt etc. anyway whether this is a regular or guest appearance ..we wish you well

    Yo hippyman and how are you? Think with some of us the fact that we cannot drink at all takes a while to sink in..in fact until it gets to a certain point in our life we are pretty much in denial..for me wish it had happened earlier!!!

    Mornin Pauly ..you ok? what are you yup to today

    PPQP....good morning to you..how are things with you today?..Hmm froom the way you posted I reckon you are a wee bit busy ..am I right..here you are , stop for a brew.

    Morning merry ..how are you...welcome aboard..how you doing..seem to be doin ok at 3 weeks..have you a plan/strategy?Are you usin the toolbox? so many questions ..I apologise..but Im one of the nosy neighbours!!

    Cat ...firstly...your post was lovely..secondly well done for not drinking when you were surrounded by all that ,..thirdly this is a post where you can feel comfortable hopefully..if something is hurtin ..shout out..or pm someone..dont hesitate..a problem shared...is a problem halved they reckon..Believe in yourself..it sounds to me like you are a lovely lady so be strong and part that curtain of tears..there is sunshine there :l

    Mornin Det..how are you today? wondered where you had gone.. hope you can get to the bottom of it all mate..and progress ..go for it

    Mornin SL....and how are you? wow what a wise 14 year old you have!!! keep your chin up..you are doing great..any plans for today?enjoy it whatever you do

    TDN..well done you 60 days ..excellent ..hope you feel proud of yourself ..you should be .

    Right folks ..gotta go and do me driving bit..whatever you are doing have a good one..hiya Shue and mmdu..you aint forgotten!!


    At the end of the funeral service the pall bearers are carrying the casket out. When they accidentally bump into a wall jarring the casket. They hear a faint moan. They open the casket and find that the woman is actually alive.
    She lives for ten more years and then dies. A ceremony is again held at the same place and at the end of the ceremony the pall bearers are again carrying out the casket.
    As they are walking the husband cries out, ?watch out for the wall!?

    A couple was invited to a swanky masked Halloween Party. She got a terrible headache and told her husband to go to the party alone. He, being a devoted husband, protested, but she argued and said she was going to take some aspirin and go to bed, and there was no need for his good time to be spoiled by not going. So he took his costume and away he went. The wife, after sleeping soundly for about an hour, awakened without pain; and, as it was still early, decided to go to the party after all. In as much as her husband didn?t know what costume she?d be wearing, she thought she?d have some fun by watching her husband to see how he acted when she wasn?t around.
    She joined the party and soon spotted her husband cavorting around on the dance floor, dancing with every chick he could, getting a little kiss here and a warm squeeze there. His wife went up to him and being rather seductive herself, he left his current partner high and dry and devoted his time to this new babe who had just arrived.
    She let him do whatever he wished, naturally, since he was her husband. Finally he whispered a little proposition in her ear and she agreed, so off they went to one of the cars and they did it all! Zowie! Just before unmasking at midnight, she slipped away and went home, put the costume away and got into bed, wondering what kind of explanation he would have for his behavior.
    She was sitting up reading when he came in. She asked how the evening had been? He said ?Oh, the same old thing. You know, I never have a good time when you?re not there.? Then she asked, ?Did you dance much??
    He replied, ?You know, I didn?t dance even one dance. When I got there, I met Pete, Bill Brown and some other guys, so we went into the den and played poker all evening.
    But I?ll tell you?from what I heard, the guy I loaned my costume to, sure had a real good time!?

    In case you needed further proof that the human race is doomed by stupidity, here are some actual label instructions found on consumer goods:
    On a Sears hairdryer: Do not use while sleeping.
    On a bag of Fritos: You could be a winner! No purchase necessary. Details inside. (The shoplifter special.)
    On a bar of Dial soap: Directions: Use like regular soap.
    On a Swann frozen dinners: Serving suggestion: Defrost. (But it?s just a suggestion.)
    On Tesco?s tiramisu dessert (printed on the bottom of box): Do not turn upside-down.
    On Marks & Spencer bread pudding: Product will be hot after heating.
    On packaging for a Rowenta iron: Do not iron clothes on body.
    On Boot?s children?s cough medicine: ?Do not drive a car or operate machinery after taking this medication.?
    On Nytol sleep aid: Warning: May cause drowsiness.
    On most brands of Christmas lights: ?For indoor or outdoor use only.? (As opposed to what?)
    On a Japanese food processor: Not to be used for the other use. (I gotta admit, I?m curious.)
    On Sainsbury?s peanuts: ?Warning: contains nuts.?
    On an American Airlines packet of peanuts: ?Instructions: Open packet, eat nuts.?
    On a child?s Superman costume: ?Wearing of this garment does not enable you to fly.? (I don?t blame the company, I blame the parents for this one.)
    On a Swedish chain saw: ?Do not attempt to stop chain with your hands or genitals.?

    A little boy came down for breakfast one morning and asked his grandma, ?Where?s Mom and dad?? and she replied, ?they?re up in bed.?
    The little boy started to giggle and ate his breakfast and went out to play. Then he came back in for lunch and asked his grandma ?where?s Mom and Dad?? and she replied ?they?re still up in bed.?
    Again the little boy started to giggle and he ate his lunch and went out to play. Then the little boy came in for dinner and once again he asked his grandma ?where?s Mom and dad?? and his grandmother replied ?they?re still up in bed.?
    The little boy started to laugh and his grandmother asked, ?what gives? Every time I tell you they?re still up in bed you start to laugh! what is going on here?? The little boy replied, ?well last night daddy came into my bedroom and asked me for the Vaseline and I gave him super glue.?

    There was a boy standing on a corner selling fish.
    He was saying, ?Dam fish for sale, dam fish for sale.?
    A preacher walked up and asked why he was calling them dam fish.
    The kid said, ?I caught them at the dam, so they?re dam fish.?
    The preacher bought some, took them home and asked his wife to cook the dam fish.
    His wife looked at him in bewilderment and said, ?Preachers aren?t supposed to talk like that.?
    The preacher explained why they were dam fish, and she agreed to cook them. When dinner was ready and everyone was sitting down, the preacher asked his son to pass him the dam fish.
    His son replied, ?That?s the spirit dad. Pass the f*cking potatoes!?

    Clear your throat every three or four words while speaking.
    Click your mechanical pencils or your pens during a test in school.
    Close your eyes and start snoring whenever anyone tries to talk to you.
    Consistently refer to everyone as 'mortal.'
    Construct elaborate "crop circles" in your front lawn.
    Construct your own pretend "tricorder," and "scan" people with it, pronouncing the results.
    Continually try to get all of the people who write you letters to put cellophane tape over their stamps so that you can wipe off the postmark and reuse them.
    Continue to ask someone, "Is this annoying? Is this annoying?" over and over and over.
    Continuously mumble during a conversation.
    Continuously open your briefcase or bag and say into it, "Have you got enough air in there?"
    Convince people you are deaf and talk in an incredibly phony sign language.
    Cultivate a Norwegian accent. If Norwegian, affect a southern drawl.
    Dance fast to slow music and vice-versa.
    Declare your apartment an independent nation, and sue your neighbors upstairs for "violating your airspace."
    Decline to be seated at a restaurant and simply eat their complimentary mints at the cash register.
    Dedicate your life to politics, become president of the United States, then raise all taxes to 90%.
    Deliberately hum songs that will remain lodged in co-workers' brains, such as "Feliz Navidad," the Archies' "Sugar," or the Mr. Rogers theme song.
    Demand that everyone address you as "Conquistador."
    Determine how many cups of coffee is 'too many'.
    Develop an unnatural fear of staplers.
    Develop strategies for cutting into the front of lines.
    Disagree strongly with everything anybody says.
    Disassemble your pen and "accidentally" flip the ink cartridge across the room.
    Do not add any inflection to the end of your sentences, producing awkward silences with the impression that you'll be saying more any moment.
    Don't clean the dryer lint screen.
    Don't leave a message at the beep, just hangup.
    Don't rewind videocassettes before bringing them back.
    Don't stand during hymns and anthems.
    dont use any punctuation
    Down a can of Coke in one drink and then burp loudly.
    Draw mustaches on posters.
    Dress like a "High-class rich person" and wash windows at random street corners.
    Dress only in clothes colored Hunter's Orange.
    Drive half a block.
    Drum on every available surface.
    af since the fourth of July 2012...howzat then America..now proudly marching into year 12

    #2
    af day Tues 22 Jan

    Good Morning Mick and all to come,

    I actually slept a bit last night rather than the usual wake up every hour thing. That is good.

    My day is going to be simple. I stay home, I am going to work on somethings to see if I can get a transcription job from home, and I will clean house a bit. Oh, and bathroom is in middle of redo, so need to pull baseboards off the wall so hubby can replace. Mostly, though, I will be sober today, so today will be better than any day drinking. No matter what.

    Cat, I don't know the history you are talking about but I feel very badly for you that you are hurting so much. It is good to share here. Not only does it help to get it out but you just never know who might have a bit of wisdom that might help you. Hang in there. I have gone through some serious heart break myself and it really does pass. :l:l

    Det, God Bless you for checking in. You have been alluding to this pain for years and it sounds as if you are at the point in life where you are ready to deal with it. I wish you had a professional support group or doctor to work with.

    All other AFers, I will check in on all of you later. Sitting here drinking my first cup of Joe and just relaxing and reading before the day begins.

    Love,
    Cindi
    AF April 9, 2016

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      #3
      af day Tues 22 Jan

      Evening all from balmy NZ.....I said balmy, not barmy :H

      How zit Mick? All good here, another glorious day and lovely evening.

      Daughter goes back to school Thursday so buying books and visit to meet her new dean. She is staying with her brother tonight and they are taking her to play squash with the view that we might start playing for an activity in the winter.

      Cat....dunno if you saw my last post for you on yesterday's thread. Sorry you are sad, can we help?

      PPQ.....am dreading water bill but the water just pours over to ground so the plants are happy! And yes, Mick, tis age. I also used to stress more when drinking about NOT being accused by family of effects of drinking. Now I am so damn laid back I forget more! Ironic really.

      Missing cantoo......yoohoo cantoo....come home now

      Hiya Cinders, you a regular now? Hope so.....it is usually a peaceful thread always nice to have a new face.

      TT ....where are you? Just when they all get used to tomorrows thread being here today you go AWOL. They is simple folk.....don't confuse em! :H:H. (Runs and hides tehehehe)

      Laters folks

      KY

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        #4
        af day Tues 22 Jan

        Just wanted CatB and Det to know I am thinking of you both, and hoping brighter days are ahead. So sorry for all the bad things going on at the moment.

        Cindi, glad to hear you are focused. It's a daily struggle. Hope Zenny posts soon.
        "One day at a time."

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          #5
          af day Tues 22 Jan

          Hello, Fabbies! It's a great new day. Sunshiney, but very cold, only 18 F here. Brrrrr. I had to laugh last night; I was freezing in the house and feeling like I would have to reinsulate everything, etc. I had forgotten that I turned the heat down quite a bit while I was away and forgot to turn it back up. I am now warm and relieved!

          Congrats, TDN on your 60 days! They keep adding up, don't they!

          It is good to see you posting over here, Cinders. I have missed you quite a bit while you were off dealing with so many things in this last year. I'm glad that your sleep is a little better.

          Hugs, Cat. I hope things look a little brighter today. It is hard without having a partner, but that is definitely better than being with the wrong partner. I know that someone will come along for you.

          I'm glad that you are dealing with your past, Det. Ultimately, I think one must deal with past pain and learn to not let it sabotage you in the present. It's the only way. Hugs to you, my man!

          Thanks as always, Mick, for your morning wake-up. Where is TT, though? Kuya is right, we get confused!

          Hi to Lave, CanToo, PPQP, Hippyman, and all today.

          I am going to haul my ass over and do some aerobics!

          Hugs to all,
          :l
          YahYah
          AF as of August 5th, 2012

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            #6
            af day Tues 22 Jan

            Morning all, back in office and doing daily check in.
            Cat, popped a note on yesterdays thread too, hope today is a wee bit better?:l
            Ex goes to see counselor today as part of the divorce proceedingswill be so glad to have this behind me....
            Car in to get fixed from bump back in september - it was an enterprise rental car and it has taken me this long to fight with their insurance company - and they did not wnat to give me a rental car whilst mine was in the shop - seriously
            Ate gummies on way to work today - have to get my diet sorted out! Did have a good breakfast too...oh well, have a good day all, will check back in later....
            “The only courage you will ever need is the courage to live the life you want"

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              #7
              af day Tues 22 Jan

              Good afternoon Abbers

              Cold but sunny here today!

              I ended up with some unexpected overnight guests - daughter & grandaughter stayed, it was nice. I really didn't want them driving an hour home on snowy & icy roads last night.
              We had a great birthday shopping trip yesterday & YES we did talk YB into buying lunch (since he invited himself to go along :H)

              Cat & Det, I hope you are both feeling better today. Whatever is going on in life, AL won't make it better. That much I do know for sure :l

              Greetings to Cindi, Kuya, YahYah & SL! We are missing a few folks here today. Hopefully everyone is well & just busy living the good life

              I have a bit of work to do so here I go!
              Lav
              AF since 03/26/09
              NF since 05/19/09
              Success comes one day at a time :thumbs:

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                #8
                af day Tues 22 Jan

                Hi there - yes, it is 23 Jan here in Kiwiland and I quickly started that day's thread - so no-one thinks I have gone AWOL. Just very absorbed in my writing this week - but have a break now and again of course - actually too many breaks! Then family, others, the cat to care for...

                I read over the posts here about moderation, and the history of MWO - that is very interesting Cinders plus thanks for your insightful words. When I first came across MWO I was uncertain - not about moderation vs. abstinence (I knew by then that moderation was not an option for me - healthwise and also because I never saw the point of just a couple of glasses of wine a few times a week, poured in standard approved alcohol measures (so tiny!), slowly sipped and savoured, with dinner, end of story...not...!!!)
                -my uncertainty was more about how I could do this quit thing and stay that way (I had had a few relatively long quits by myself during the past decade), guess I was looking for a magic bullet. Like many of us do - or have. I think when I first went on to MWO I was trying Naltrexone - but I had a ghastly reaction with that drug and it made me suicidal depressed (unbelievable absence of 'affect' and flatness, zero motivation)
                then in 2012 I tried other means of support plus returned to MWO - esp when I started Antabuse - and some peeps suggested this forum might be a home for my goal. And its really helped plus I hope I have given a wee bit of support to others. It also means I rabbit on less to my partner about AL - we still talk about it - but MWO and guy fab guys allow me to talk and read about our special fraternity

                this time sober - I have felt a genuine release with the liberation of not having to agonise over AL - it just does not enter my daily register (although I still get little beckonings from the beast and the long term health effects of abuse may be an issue I have to deal with). This time I am being vigilent, but also getting on with a great life - its not a practice run - its never going to be stress free and one never knows what or who lies around the corner. Just be sure its not that f..king beast!
                I agree with Mick also that age maybe helps here for some of us. Not always tho.
                Meanwhile Cat - I feel for you with the 'significant other' matter - or absence of and broken heart, frustration etc - I have been through that and its not simple, easy - and cliches don't help. But here's a big warm hearted Pacific hug - specially for you! the others can settle with hugs in general.

                Ok - enjoy the rest of your 22 Jan cos I am back to the present (which is the 23 for me).

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                  #9
                  af day Tues 22 Jan

                  Hello again. :-)

                  I wanted to ask some of you longer term AFers a question.

                  Several of you mention long periods of AF in the past and then relapses.

                  I know you say this time is "it" and is different but I want to know in what ways?

                  I recognize (recognise for the UK) that you are definitely dedicated to staying quit this time and I do not mean to cast any doubts that way.

                  What I am asking is what are you doing differently now than the last time(s)? I am quite serious about being sober for life and I would like to learn from others lessons learned, if at all possible.

                  I know that in the past, the further away I got from my last drink, the closer I got to my next one. I want to avoid that pitfall if at all possible.

                  I also need to know how all of you are dealing with PAWS? I suffer from it greatly when I am sober and have never gotten the 18 months sobriety to get past it.

                  Thanks for any advice you can give.

                  Cindi
                  AF April 9, 2016

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                    #10
                    af day Tues 22 Jan

                    can you please explain a bit more about what PAWS is - is it post alcohol withdrawal syndrome? What time period are we talking about?
                    Is it an actual documented syndrome - or a bit more vague?

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                      #11
                      af day Tues 22 Jan

                      Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrom (PAWS)|Intervention Services Virginia

                      Oh dumb me - I see a link on Google. I am not up with all the rehab terminology -maybe just as well sometimes?

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                        #12
                        af day Tues 22 Jan

                        treetops;1448559 wrote: Post Acute Withdrawal Syndrom (PAWS)|Intervention Services Virginia

                        Oh dumb me - I see a link on Google. I am not up with all the rehab terminology -maybe just as well sometimes?
                        No worries. Have you looked at the symptoms and do they apply to you? I have often wondered if only a few people actually suffer from them. It is probably related to the amount of alcohol one drank daily. i.e. How much damage done to the brain.

                        Cindi
                        AF April 9, 2016

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                          #13
                          af day Tues 22 Jan

                          HI all, and a strong AF Tuesday to you.

                          Thank you for your thoughts. You know, it is an astounding gift - just to send hugs. It feels so good to have support in life. This is what I am most missing, and what made this particular experience so hard. And so many of us are in the same place - moms raising kids, missing a lover, confidante, friend.

                          I spent my 30's married to a man that I took care of; he is brain damaged as well as partially paralyzed. I married him that way (we were engaged when his accident occurred), so I never knew a partner as a husband. Now the state of CA says he is my lifelong obligation, since if you marry a disabled person, you know they can never be independent. And for us to divorce, the attorneys have told me he will either need a conservator or a lot of luck for a judge to approve a settlement. The conservator takes freedom from both of us to make joint decisions going forward. So I haven't run our separation through the courts.

                          I do not need anyone to save me from this, financially or emotionally, but it's extremely unusual, and 9 out of 10 men I have met in the past five years can't handle it.

                          I met with a friend yesterday to discuss hiring her to help me get divorced, get all the mountain of paperwork and legal appts and complex issues resolved. This will be my journey this year. If the door is open, I'll share it here. I would so appreciate a place to release.

                          Cat
                          "It is easier to maintain than to start from the bottom again. I can't go back there." Byrdie

                          AF since Oct 2, 2012

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                            #14
                            af day Tues 22 Jan

                            Hi Cindi,

                            I think I experience PAWS. I definitely have cyclical depression since giving up AL.

                            I'm hoping this is my only quit. Star has a tagline that says "I'm only one drink away from never being sober the rest of my life." I always think about that, how precious this may be, and how I might never find my way back here. What if I was never strong enough to quit again? Would I give up what I have gained? No.

                            I'm almost four months in, so very new, but it's helping me not take it for granted that I could keep finding my way back.

                            :l:l Cat
                            "It is easier to maintain than to start from the bottom again. I can't go back there." Byrdie

                            AF since Oct 2, 2012

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                              #15
                              af day Tues 22 Jan

                              Cat,

                              OMG what a legal mess. I am sorry. I can see how other men would have a difficult time handling it. However, if you were lucky enough to find one who was willing to, you will have found a true keeper. Good luck with all this. I hope it goes well for you.

                              Yes, I understand about the one drink idea. Very much. I quite believe that I am at or very near the end of my ability to quit. If I binge again, I am afraid it will be for good. I am physically and spiritually at the end of my rope, as it were.

                              In the past, though, when I got really low, the idea of giving in to alcohol actually seemed viable. I know that sounds bad but it is what it is. I am determined to speak the truth here.

                              I hold on to the thought of how that would affect my family, but sometimes resent them because of it?

                              I start with a counselor next week. Hopefully, she can help me sort through some of this.

                              I was hoping that others here could talk about the difference in previous quits/relapses and what they are doing differently at this time.

                              I have gone through some trials this year and now know that I must learn to live life on life's terms without alcohol. I was hoping for some pointers on actions that would help.

                              Cindi
                              AF April 9, 2016

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