af Thursday 7 Feb

[scottish lass]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Det - so sorry, I hope you get the right help soon, I have no advice for you.....only a :l or two.
Cat - was thinking about the ocean this weekend - the three day weekend, kids also have a four day weekend next week - so might just wait for that one - it is such therapy for me to watch the ocean and I am badly in need of that....I am lucky that I don't seem to have real depression or anxiety....don't always feel lucky, but then I read of the struggles I see some of you have and I realise I am lucky. I am often sad, but I do think that is different - and I am looking for therapy for the three of us - my eldest starts tomorrow and I am hoping that just counselling helps her with her demons....My work is having another reshake too - do wish it would settle for a while and we could just do our jobs...I do think that if I could get my divorce final, finances settled, work stable - then get my girls and I able to work thru the last few years, I could manage to get to a really good place - AF of course.
I have looked at Amoryn - Lav has been a staunch supported of this and strongly recommended it...
Mick - then I think I can safely say I am on chapter 7, but would like to go back to maybe 3 before the end of life
Off to ocean dreaming again - thsi weekend or next we will go! Cat, thinking of Aptos - was considering the Marine Mammal Sanctuary as the elephant seals are nesting and they often have pups...but maybe a night in Aptos listening to the waves as well as just smelling the ocean will be the ticket! This storm is supposed to pass by Saturday...

[kuya]

af Thursday 7 Feb

treetops;1458716 wrote: Quick post - I have tried and lots of sensible things for depression, nervousness, bulimia (nutrition, intensive therapy, exercise) but for me SSRIs made a huge difference to not only my depression and bulimia but a whole heap of other biochemical and hormonal type things. That was Prozac - and for me, it was like being able to be back to being myself. It did not stop me from feeling and having moods - I did not become a shiny happy person but I did stop wanting to die and living in the horror of bulimia.
I am one of those people for whom it really helped a lot. I had tried older style ADs before that - which fogged up my mind, made me tired, etc.

I have now stopped P. but would use if again if necessary. I found the first few weeks of P. hard but then - no obvious side effects. In the later years (I used it very long term) I was maybe only on a capsule every 3 days - it has a very long half life.

I have a good GP - who I can talk to - plus she takes side effects and new research seriously

I hope you did not interpret my post as meaning SSRIs have no place.....only that for some folks trying other methods first would be appropriate. My doctor jumped straight to drugs, never discussed any other approach.

Det ......so sorry this morass won't resolve ....... :l:l

[porqoui]

af Thursday 7 Feb

:hallo: All....feeling much better, those P's in the pocket actually help :H And I have somewhat of an appetite back so that will help too. Picked up some Melatonin so hoping rest comes easier.

SL..wish I had thought of the Benadryl while I was out but may pick some up tomorrow.

Lav...Couldn't get the Amoryn but according to the website it's a brand name for St. John's Wort. May give that a try or order the Amoryn online. Standing there trying to read the tiny print I got confused as to when to take what. Then got concerned about going overboard as I picked up some more B12 as well. Think I'll start with what I've got.

KY...I really do belive there are two types of depression, clinical and situational. Like you I believe mine is situational and once things get sorted I'll settle down.

TT...I was on Prozac for awhile back in my teens but it never really did anything for me. Maybe cause I was still drinking at the time

CB...the ocean sounds great. We used to go to a place called White Rock in British Columbia and I would spend hours lying there just listening to the waves. So calming.

DET...:l:l...boy do I know how you feel! Other than what I've read here I don't know anything about Bac or Topa. Hope you can get it sorted soon.

Now after reading all the posts I have to go read Mick's jokes so I know what you guys are talking about :HPPQP

[treetops]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Hi Kuya
Na, I did not misinterpret what you posted. So no probs there.
I totally agree - going straight on to meds - is not appropriate for depression and many conditions (maybe not an infected foot!)

Many studies suggest also that for low-level depression - time and TLC - works just as well. Too often - many people think we are not supposed to feel pain, boredom, angst etc. Hells teeth, thats whats makes us human. But as we know there reaches a point when its debilitating. And does not help in the goal of being AF.

My tummy is rumbling and its 11.20am - can I hold out to lunch time???

[porqoui]

af Thursday 7 Feb

ooopps...forgot to say :welcome: Teezah

[YoungAtHeart]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Hi Fabbies! I hope everyone had or is finishing up a great Thursday.

Welcome Teezah! You've landed in a great place!

What an interesting discussion today about meds. I take Wellbutrin (buproprion) after years of getting only a so-so response from SSRI's. I believe it helps, and I don't experience side effects (doesn't impact sexual function either). I've been exercising pretty vigorously (for an exercise newbie) in the last few weeks, and it definitely helps with my mood. I'm considering trying to get off of it in the coming year, but I'm not sure. I'm a little scared, frankly.

Det, the first time I quit, I was taking 200mg of topa. That was my "Off switch". I was able to maintain on 100mg after a few months sober. I decided not to use topa this time and have been okay, but I don't think I would have been able to quit the first time without it.

SL, I'm so glad that you are feeling better. I think this is a situational problem. Hang in there.

BTW, I have heard that hard exercise will have an effect comparable to anti-d's. The trouble is getting to exercise when you feel that despressed.

All okay here, just getting ready to go up to Philly to paint this weekend. I'll be by myself, as my sister will be busy being snowed in up on Long Island. At first it was depressing, but I can get a lot done by myself.

Hello to everyone I didn't mention by name. I'm thinking of all of you.

Hugs,
:l
YahYah

Also glad to hear that you're back to full "P" power, PPQP

[TheSunFlower]

af Thursday 7 Feb

I have to make this short....I think my keyboard has decided to "allow me" to type only so much

Mick...I had replied to you the other day....but it kept getting earsed. Yes, things are looking up and I journal....usually a day later what I wrote seems so silly. So I tear it up....so it never lands in the wrong hands.

[TheSunFlower]

af Thursday 7 Feb

compter deleted the rest!

I'll try again later

[TheSunFlower]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Now on my iPad

YAH... Congrats on six months.....my computer kept deleting that....so sorry it is late.

Det...so sorry you are having such a hard time. I never got the amount of time sober that you did.....but, I so remember those consistent days fondly. Why is it so hard to get back to them? Hope DX is well and you too.

I wish I had great advice for you......I don't....I look to the long timers....

I do know that consistent yoga has been helping me. I take the easy classes these days....no power or hot yoga for me. The key with yoga and my sobriety....has been making it consistent. One class.....here and there is not enough. I can feel the rewiring going on....but I am now into 60 days of it. One thing I envy....is couples who come together consistently. My classes I literally roll around on the floor with a bolster...but, I feel so good afterwards.

I have gotten my Seredyn...took it one night and just felt dopey. What has helped other people in taking this? I am going to consistently take it through the weekend....so I can manage the dopey feeling....I just can't take it during the day yet when I have to work. And that is when I need it most. I may need to add the Amoryn to it.

[Determinator]

af Thursday 7 Feb

thanks all for the advice. shaking too bad to type much. will call doc tomorrow xxxxx

[Lavande]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Det, please be sure to call your doc & be totally honest with him//her.
You can't wish this stuff away. Take care of yourself :l

For everyone & anyone considering a natural supplement for stabilizing moods - take a good look at the Amoryn website. I am not a sales rep for them but sometimes I think I should be one.
AMORYN Mood Booster | Natural Supplement for Depression & Anxiety

I had a big problem with depression/anxiety brought on by years of trying to live with & around a chronically depressed husband. I eventually turned to wine to numb the emotional pain & we all know how that works out! My doc finally put my on Lexapro at the same time he put me on an antihypertensive. I literally drove myself into a near crisis situation. The B/P med worked, the Lexapro calmed me down a bit but didn't stop me from drinking. I don't advise drinking while taking SSRIs - makes you fall on your ass.....

I had taken plain St Johns Wort many years ago & thought about going back to that but found Amoryn while doing my research. It has just the right combination of ingredients to make it very effective, safe & no side effects. Once I weaned myself off the Lexapro (slowly) I started Amoryn & have been a very happy & stable camper since. I was able to stop abusing myself with (mostly) wine without a big problem. I also used the Hypno CDs nightly for a good year or more. They help you change your thinking & that's what you need to do to remain abstinent.

PQ, I order Amoryn directly from the website. The only other place I have seen it is on Amazon. I don't think you will find it on a store shelf.

SF, Seredyn is designed to address panic & it will do the job but I think Amoryn on a daily basis is the way to go. I take it twice/day (breakfast & dinner). I have no numb, drugged feeling, just a level of calmness.

I know that I am genetically predisposed to depression. Many in my family have suffered in the past. Two of my three brothers suffer now. I also know that we all have limits to the amount of bull shit we can handle. We need to keep searching until we find what works & discard the rest
Just don't give up trying, because we are all entitled to happiness!

Lav

[TribalRose]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Hi Det & All,

As a long time lurker I just want to tell you that your repeated kindness to us is much appreciated. Matters not if we're shy or scared or even dancing with the drink...You reached out to us. You're a strong man and your words via this board have helped me & my hubs countless times. Take Care and thank you many times over.

[Turnagain]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Deter....

It's tough to see one of our rocks here back in the hole. But...you've made it out before. So you can and will make it out again. What helped you break the cycle last time? It seems I recall that you used antabuse at one point as an aid to get through the early days? Is that a possibility now?

We need you out of the hole....DX needs you out of the hole. YOU need you out of the hole. And you know how good it feels to be out. It's the first part that rough...you know it gets easier as it goes on. And once you're out....we can all work on making the changes to keep you from ever having to go through this addiction shit again...okay?

Let us know how we can help...

[Turnagain]

af Thursday 7 Feb

SF....someone gave me a pc laptop once that erased while I was typing. Seems I turned on the OVR - Overtype function. If you have an 'insert' key you may want to tap that to see if that deactivates OVR.

[Turnagain]

af Thursday 7 Feb

Welcome Teezah! Glad you're heading down the path of life with us.....