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**witts end** · August 7, 2013, 02:51 AM

AF Wed 7 August

Sorry you had a bad day .......I'm still away went shopping and was quiet pleased with what I got

Hope tomorrow is better

**Mick** · August 7, 2013, 03:10 AM

AF Wed 7 August

Hiya folks tis happy hump day...such a dodgy phrase ,but there you go.cant really see that over here..asking someone "you having a good hump day?"good chance of making a dental appointment!!:H

Anyway onwards and upwards...tea and coffee on the go

Evening TT...are you feeling any better? methinks you were on a downer and the work issue was the straw that broke the camels back..sounds a wee bit like it..as for the meeting next week..can I suggest? cut yourself away from the emotional side of it, and work a plan out in the clear cold light of day..is it based round fact..is it based around something you have done or contributed to? if so..ok how can I redress or plan to ensure that it doesnt happen again..if not then get the facts together with the proof and bombard them with it ,without being arrogant or cocky...does that make sense? the trick is to accept a very very minor part in it all so that it doesnt look like you are blame shifting..if I can help you in in any way let me know..meanwhile smiley face on ..the meeting is a week away ..are you going to waste 7 days worrying about it

Morning Lav..how are you today? you mustve sent telepathic messages yesterday...went out and bought a lot of peaches!!!!Extreme kiddy sitting again today is it?for me the decorating is done ..for the mo finished 11.30 last night.. tiles fero the fire dont get here till Friday but apart from that ..all done..going to have an easy day today..back and arm are giving me a clue!!Nother cuppa on the go ..want one? here you go .Watched Amish mafia last night..Lebanon Levis little empire is crumbling...strangely enough on their web page he aint exactly top of the pops either!!the Ohio gang are up for it..anyway you have a good day

Hiya YAH how are you? yep I know that feeling..whenever Amy comes home this place looks like a bomb site...even to the shower being full of fake sun tan...grrrr.Yes Ilove fuschias...many years ago I used to be really into growing them,different strains and hybrids, but its hard enough getting them to grow here at all.Any plans for today? ..that is apart from cleaning up!!

Hiya Cinders and how are you today? ok I hope..In answer to your question..the answer is no I wasnt this productive ..I was too busy..or too involved with drink! MBH though I prefer this life...but to get to this I had to go through the other so there are payoffs..one life has paid for the other if that makes sense

Hiya Det hows you my friend ..big pat on the back for going into that boozer and not drinking..especially with it being a blast from the past!!

Hiya Sam..glad you are ok mate..as for the hand wringing ..hey ..we are all in this together!!!

Morning SF...hows you? wine tasting/testing..that guy says you need to build up your tolerance..oh really?? is that to wine ro listening to people making crappy statements!!!!!So OCD phase 1 is over now?

Hiya NS......and how are you today? yep sometimes it is hard to catch up isnt it?Any plans for today?

right folks orf we go have a great day

How moral are you?

How moral are you? What is your attitude to morals, sex and honesty?
The fascinating personality test below was written by a Sydney marriage expert who is a qualified psychologist. It began as a dinner party conversation gimmick, but it has been prepared in this form for readers to test themselves. To do the ?test? you must give your honest opinion about morals and honesty of the four characters in our story of Sherwood Forest. Forget any preconceived ideas you may about them ? this is a different sort of story from all the others.
?The Sheriff of Nottingham captured Little John and Robin Hood and imprisoned them in his maximum-security dungeon. Maid Marion begged the Sheriff for their release, pleading her love for Robin. The Sheriff agreed to release them only if Maid Marion spent the night with him. To this she agreed.
The next morning the Sheriff released his prisoners. Robin at once demanded that Marion tell him how she persuaded the Sheriff to let them go free. Marion confessed the truth, and was bewildered when Robin abused her, calling her a slut, and saying that he never wanted to see her again. At this Little John defended her, inviting her to leave Sherwood with him and promising life-long devotion. She accepted and they rode away together.?
Now in terms of realistic every-day standards of behavior, put Robin, Marion, Little John and the Sheriff in the order in which you consider they showed the most morality and honesty. There is no ?right? answer, and the following is the psychologist?s estimate of you for each of the 24 arrangements.
Don?t scroll down until you have made your list.

DONT CHEAT

ROBIN, MARION, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN:
You find it hard to accept the permissive attitudes of others, or to convince them of the validity of your own standards. You are not disposed to trust people and do not have a very happy life.
(Men) To you ?love? involves s*x and duty, rather than charity and forgiveness.
(Women) You blame men for much of the unhappiness in your life.
ROBIN, MARION, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF:
Your philosophy of life is a sad hotchpotch of the conventions of society, your own convictions and romanticism. You are not unkind, only staid and unimaginative.
(Men) You see a woman as weak but desirable.
(Women) Your resent the arrogance of men.
ROBIN, SHERIFF, MARION, LITTLE JOHN:
(Men) We think you are unhappy, although you probably will not admit it. As a ruthless authoritarian you are as moral as it suits you and no more. You do not apply the same rules to men as you do to women.
(Women) How worthless you seem to think women are.
ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF:
You are a moralist with conventional ideas, which some people would call old-fashioned.
(Men) You probably consider yourself a fair-minded man in a world which falls badly below your standards. Your inhibitions and sense of guilt are in the way of your happiness.
(Women) Unlucky in love? Perhaps you hope for too much in a man. Be a realist, not a romantic.
ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, MARION:
You are conventional and puritanical.
(Men) You moralize and see women as a great conspiracy against man, with s*x as their principal weapon. You are missing a great deal in life.
(Women) Your parents probably played a big part in the formation of such a guilt complex as yours. Your mind is in chains and it?s time you did something to free it.
LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, SHERIFF, MARION:
You are not easy to assess. Basically you are ruled by an inferiority complex and feelings of insecurity. How do you present yourself to the world? An idealist, a moralist, a conformist keeping up with Jones?s?
(Men) Your conflicting views on s*x and morality may lead to every sort s*xual problem. You have always feared women, probably starting with your mother.
(Women) It is a shame you have not accepted the ideal of woman as the equal (and sometimes stronger) partner of man.
LITTLE JOHN, MARION, ROBIN, SHERIFF:
You are fairly broadminded romantic and reasonably contented. You value kindness greatly and try to live by your ideals. You do not conceal from yourself, or from others, you strong need for security, which may be either emotional or material.
(Men) Perhaps you tend to idealize women and credit them with virtues they don?t possess.
(Women) Your experiences of men have not all been happy, perhaps because you hope for a little too much?
LITTLE JOHN, MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN:
You are the slightly romantic realist. You respect truth, and are broadminded and flexible. Whether you are a man or a woman you are probably a happy person. You like people and they can readily make friends with you. You are not very adventurous, but this does not bother you.
LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, MARION, ROBIN:
You too, believe that morality is another word for common-sense and suitability, and not something which is universally valid or a religious truth. Your feeling for security is strong, and you would rate reliability as one of your virtues.
(Men) Your estimate of women as the inferior s*x suggests that you are a little uncertain of them.
(Women) You are more permissive about the morals of others than you are about your own.
LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, ROBIN, MARION:
You are conventional, unimaginative, and something of a prude. It would be surprising if your love life was a roaring success.
(Man) You have an old-world authoritarian attitude. One thing is sure, you have some sorry illusions about women.
(Women) You accept a double standard of morality in which women are very much the ?second s*x?.
SHERIFF, ROBIN, MARION, LITTLE JOHN:
(Man) We find it hard to imagine you leading a full, happy life. The warmth and give-and-take of love are not for you. Your s*x life is ringed with unreality, and you neither understand nor appreciate women.
(Women) If you really believe this is the right order, you baffle us completely.
MARION, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN:
Such an emphatic rejection of ready-made values in probably partly camouflage. You hate to be thought weak or insecure. You value honesty, and abominate humbug and hypocrisy.
(Men) Women are very much part of you life, and you are ? or perhaps would like to be ? quite ruthless, both with women and life in general.
(Women) You are tolerant about men and their failings ? but we mean men, for you have no time for boys on men?s errands.
MARION, ROBIN, SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN:
You know the so-called facts of life, but not to enjoy life itself. You are not a realist and you are inclined to be stubborn.
(Men) Women, you think, are either whores or angels, and you over-estimate the differences between the s*xes. A woman may find you difficult to live with.
(Women) You are not sure whether truth and morality go hand in hand or are in opposition. You haven?t a very high opinion of men.
MARION, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF:
If you are not happy ? and we suspect you are not ? it maybe because you feel guilty about your own emotions, and lack confidence in your opinions.
(Men) No doubt you consider yourself a moral man, and a fair one. Your fuzzy ideas about morality may make their mark on your s*x life.
(Women) You are too concerned about what others think.
MARION, LITTLE JOHN, SHERIFF, ROBIN:
You are essentially a contented person, even if you consider yourself a little superior. You are moral by your own standards, for you believe that morality is what best suits the occasion.
(Men) You are s*xually uninhibited, more romantic than you may appear, and more dependent on the approval of others than you care to admit.
(Women) You like being a woman, you understand what love is, and frankly enjoy s*x.
MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, SHERIFF:
We would expect you to be a happy, well-balanced person who likes people and is liked by others. You question whether many conventional views on morality are valid under all circumstances.
(Men) Do we detect a sense of chivalry and idealism under the sophistication?
(Women) You will expect high standards form the men to whom you give your love.
LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, MARION, SHERIFF:
You are a cautious type, neutral, and rather insecure. You would agree with the idea that everybody has his price ? and in your own case it would not be high.
(Men) You are s*xually inhibited with an underlying distrust of women.
(Women) At least one man has made you unhappy, and you are now on your guard.
SHERIFF, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN, MARION:
Although you make a brave show of being self-sufficient, beneath this you are unhappy and rather mixed up.
(Men) You don?t understand women ? probably you are afraid of them. You do not know what love is, and you are more likely to boast about your conquests in a bar than prove them in a bedroom.
(Women) If men attract you at all, they probably be disastrously the wrong sort.
SHERIFF, MARION, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN:
If you are not living a happy life the cause is within yourself. You are a rebel?with a trace of spoilt child about you. You value truth above morality, but you are reasonably tolerant of those who disagree with you.
(Men) any problems you have are not likely to be centered in s*x.
(Women) Despite your experience and intelligence you are a bad judge of men.
SHERIFF, MARION, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN:
You claim to be a realist or even a cynic, but you are more emotional and romantic and truthful.
(Men) although you are by no means inhibited, your amorous adventures are as much a matter of fantasy as fact.
(Women) You have been hurt in the past by men ? or perhaps a particular man and will probably let it happen again.
SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, ROBIN, MARION:
Not a moralizing pattern, but?
(Men) You share with many other men the idea that most women are fickle and inferior to men. Perhaps a view that you got from your father? Or as a reaction to a domineering mother?
(Women) You have a pretty poor opinion of yourself, haven?t you?
SHERIFF, LITTLE JOHN, MARION, ROBIN:
You have a confused, immature sense of values. You are erratic an stubborn, and inclined to get angry or sulk when you don?t get your own way. At least you are not a moral hypocrite.
(Men) ?Love ?em and leave ?em? is the motto of a man who is basically afraid of women.
(Women) Perhaps you would rather be a man than a women?
MARION, SHERIFF, ROBIN, LITTLE JOHN:
You associate morality with honest and truth more than with religious values. You are impulsive and somewhat unpredictable.
(Men) We suspect that you are a would-be lover rather than a very successful one.
(Women) You are a realist and a revel, a defender of women?s rights. You like men but despise weak ones.

Two young boys walk into a pharmacy and pick out a box of tampons.
The man at the checkout counter asks the older boy, ?Son, how old are you??
?Eight,? he replies.
The man continues, ?Do you know what these are used for??
The boy replies, ?Not exactly, but they aren?t for me. They?re for him. He?s my little brother. He?s four. We saw on TV that if you use these you can swim and ride a bike. He can?t do either one.?

A distraught young woman decides to throw herself into the ocean.
Down at the docks, a handsome young sailor notices her tears, takes pity on her, and says, ?Hey, you?ve got a lot to live for. All you need is a new start. I?m off to Europe in the morning, and if you like, I can stow you away on my ship. I?ll take good care of you and bring you food every day.? Moving closer, he slips his arm around her shoulders and adds, ?I?ll keep you happy, and you?ll keep me happy.? She agrees, and the sailor brings her aboard that night and hides her in a lifeboat. Every night he brings her three sandwiches and a piece of fruit and they make passionate love until dawn. Three weeks later, during a routine search, she is discovered by the ship?s captain.
?What are you doing here?? the captain asks.
?I have an arrangement with one of the sailors,? she explains. ?He?s taking me to Europe, and he?s screwing me.?
?He sure is, lady,? says the captain. ?This is the Staten Island ferry.?

An old Irishman walks into a bar, hauls his bad leg over the stool, and asks for a whiskey. ?Hey,? he says, looking down the bar, ?is that Jesus down there?? The bartender nods, so the Irishman orders Jesus one too.
An ailing Italian with a humpback walks in, shuffles up to the bar, and asks for a glass of Chianti. Noticing Jesus, the Italian orders Him a glass of Chianti too.
A redneck swaggers in and hollers, ?Barkeep, set me up a cold one! Hey?is that God?s Boy down there?? The bartender nods, so the redneck orders Him a bottle of beer.
As Jesus gets up to leave, He touches the Irishman and says, ?For your kindness, you are healed!? The Irishman jumps up and dances a jig.
Then Jesus touches the Italian and says, ?For your kindness, you are healed!? The Italian?s humpback straightens, and he does a flip.
Just then the redneck yells, ?Don?t touch me! I?m drawing disability!?

A beautiful, voluptuous woman goes to the gynecologist. The doctor takes one look at the woman and all of his professionalism goes out the window. He immediately asks her to undress. After she has disrobed, the doctor begins stroking her thigh.
?Do you know what I?m doing?? he asks.
?Yes,? she replies. ?You?re checking for any abrasions or abnormalities.?
?That?s right,? says the doctor. Emboldened, he then begins to fondle her breasts. ?Do you know what I?m doing now??
?You?re checking for any lumps or breast cancer,? she replies.
?Correct,? says the doctor. Deciding to go for broke, he mounts her and begins having sEx with her. ?Do you know what I?m doing now??
?Yes,? she says. ?You?re getting herpes?which is what I came here about in the first place.?

Q: What should you do if a blonde throws a pin at you?
A: Run like hell?she?s got a grenade in her mouth.

A man walks up to his house and notices his grandfather sitting on the porch, in the rocking chair, with nothing on from the waist down.
?Grandpa, what are you doing?? he exclaims. The old man looks off in the distance without answering. ?Grandpa, what are you doing sitting out here with nothing on below the waist?? he asks again.
The old man slowly looks at him and says, ?Well, last week I sat out here with no shirt on, and I got a stiff neck. This is your grandma?s idea.?

**Samstone** · August 7, 2013, 07:54 AM

AF Wed 7 August

Morning all
had a good solid night's sleep. Almost felt like I was drugged I slept so hard. Looks like another dreary day of clouds but no rain. Off to work....

I got to say that when I first stumbled on to this site I also must have stumbled on to this thread, I read one of Mick's posts and got a hell of a chuckle of some part of it. Because of my newness, I lost which thread it was. I glad to have found it again. Losing a sense of humor is like losing a good friend.

later
Sam

**paulywogg** · August 7, 2013, 08:09 AM

AF Wed 7 August

mae everbody,sam i was the same way,i just sort of stumbled onto this thread and loved having a laugh,then i started reading daily and its been wonderful to read how these guys are living sober and theyre happy! now i look forward to it daily,treetops,i hope you feel better sometimes things just build up,and good for you for not even thinking about ugly al! take care everbody

**Cinders** · August 7, 2013, 11:49 AM

AF Wed 7 August

SF, This made me laugh so hard!! :H:H

My wine/liquor client offered me a glass if wine today....first time since I've been calling on him for two years. I said that my system really didn't handle wine well. The wine rep said it was all about tolerance and I just needed to work to build my tolerance up
(((TT)))

...Its work issues that had me in tears (wept in private of course), something I took very personally. I couldn’t stop weeping – and could feel those feelings of depression and failure rise up in me. Immediately thought of my Mum, the sadness and deprivation she had throughout life and on and on. Real visceral pain. But didn’t want to drink AL – no desire – and I talked through some work things with a trusted few, and my partner G. Issues that can’t be resolved until next week – that's the bloody awfulness of it – having to wait for another meeting.

Hi, Wits,

Mick, I quit work about two years ago to get myself straightened out. It took more time than I thought, plus the death of my dear daddy and the issues with mom going on, etc before I sobered up. I am ready to get back to work but still casting about what to do. I have a long time before retirement age. It seems to be getting farther away anyway. I used to make a ton of money but the way SS works, they average the last few years of your working career, so I will be screwed about that. Oh well. It is what it is. Being sober is so amazing and actually thinking I may be able to get a life back again is exciting. I do know that 15 years of traveling 40+ weeks a year, living out of a suitcase, being given more and more responsibilities and more and more difficult accounts is a place I am still glad I no longer live in. Quitting that job was not a mistake.

I am still working on the cleaning business as a family business but am realizing I need to gather some monetary resources first. Not much but enough to get a good start. I refuse to ask my husband because his money comes at too dear a price. So, I am considering my next step(s.)

I realize I am doing the "me, me, me" thing again but I hope I can get some feedback here.

Not only am I in a stasis on work but I have been dealing with some very disturbing physical symptoms. Severe dizziness, horrible stomach pains and other delicate issues not shared here, plus bouts of dizziness, sweating, passing out that come on. Not to mention my vision issues.

Without alcohol to mask all these things, I am finally realizing, very slow here, folks, that I need to get my health addressed. I must address my health before I can make any decisions about my future.

My new doctor is fairly useless so I have had to resort to Googling, which is very dangerous. But, I have come to some conclusions:

1. I indeed need to follow up with my neurologist as planned.
2. I need to get a good gastric-bypass doctor to take me on as a patient and help me diagnose what is going on with my stomach as well as manage my diet. My gastric bypass 7 years ago is not something I can pretend has no effect on my health.
3. I need to stop smoking. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.
4. I need to take on at least mild exercise daily. For mental and physical health.
5. I need to stay sober. :-)

Okay. Onward.

Det, very good on avoiding the poison at the brew pub. Have you read the BB story about the guy that went to a bar/restaurant and ordered whiskey in his milk? Just curious. It not, you might want to read it. A very good story about relapse.

Lav, The blueberries, strawberries and cantaloupe here been absolutely delicious. I have only had one good set of peaches, though. I absolutely love peaches. Eat one and let the juice run down your chin for me. I have a memory of sitting at a roadside fruit stand in Alabama as a little girl, listening to the cicadas and eating one of the most delicious peaches as the juice ran down my chin and the flies buzzed around me. Odd memory but it is there.

Pauly, I agree about living in Vegas. I love to play blackjack and I love to drink. It would be difficult for me to live there, stay sober and have any money.

Y@H, I keep thinking about the interview and hoping the answer is the best possible one for you. :l

SS, It is why we call them "accidents." We wouldn't have them if we had a choice.

Waves to all others and have a wonderful AF hump day.

Love,
Cindi

**Mick** · August 7, 2013, 02:14 PM

AF Wed 7 August

Hiya Cinders...just to let you know...its ok to be me me me at times!Yep I am reading your post, see if I can help...not that Iam any expert!!!one thing that does stand out..is you goggling your symptoms...if your doctor is crap..then get another one..my mil.goggles all her aches and pains..and I reckon she has had everything from mad cow disease to myxamatosis..its dangerous...

no 5 is gotta be tops..because that way you can control the rest..headaches and dizziness could be as simple as needing glasses to renewed prescription to low blood sugar levels to side effects from meds.. so defo go see the neuro..Thing is we get all these little ailments and join them all up and think we are at deaths door,when actually they can all be resolved independantly ..sorry for boring you...BOO wake up!!!:H:H

**TheSunFlower** · August 7, 2013, 02:58 PM

AF Wed 7 August

TT....work can be so frustrating at times. Take Mick's advice and decide how to handle it....and don't dwell on it for 7 days....how draining!

Mick....I'm at work....you want tme to think too....easy "non-thinking" surveys please:H

Cinders...most important is your health....which is no surprise. I don't understand by what you mean about your husband's money.....do you guys share? I would think he would like to help you bring in some extra money.

Sam...send me some of that sleep minus the accident.

Lav...werid not see you here yet.

**Cinders** · August 7, 2013, 04:17 PM

AF Wed 7 August

SF,

We shared my money when I was working, that is for sure!! Now, it isn't quite the same thing.

I prefer to earn my own money towards my own business. I can't seem to give up complete control in some areas. Not very good AA thinking, that is for sure!!

Cindi

**Lavande** · August 7, 2013, 06:06 PM

AF Wed 7 August

Gosh, it's evening already?? Geez!

TT, I sure hope you are feeling a bit more cheerful now

I was never one to take kindly to criticism at work unless it was presented in a constructive fashion. At this point I don't give a flying crap about anyone's opinions or attitudes.

Hi Witts & Mick! I have lots more peaches waiting to be picked Mick - just don't know what to do with them yet.

Greetings Sam, Pauly, Cindi & SF!
Cindi, are you planning on seeing your doc about all these symptom? I sure hope so

My entire day has been dominated by a grumpy 2 1/2 yr old! She is fine, the picture of health & all that but a serious grump today :H
Granny Lav is dragging her granny butt right now :H

Wishing everyone a good night. There's always hope for tomorrow

Lav

**treetops** · August 7, 2013, 06:17 PM

AF Wed 7 August

Lav - thx and I feel for you with a grumpy toddler. Its a problem when they can't easily communicate what's wrong - isn't it? And we are the adults - who have to do the cleaning, cooking, cuddling etc- and stay sane and sober. You are a trooper, lady!:goodjob:

My work nightmare is that I have not actually been told what the criticism is. Next week I have a one-on-one meeting to learn more but in the meantime I have an over-active mind (that is not being softened or deadened by AL !!) to live with. Oh well - today I have to deal with other matters today - in a completely different area of my job.

**Determinator** · August 7, 2013, 06:39 PM

AF Wed 7 August

hidy ho ABerooooos near and far!

TreeTops, sorry to hear of the work being a bummer. do you do any meditation or hypno? I've found it to be really grounding. I get great use of hypnotic regression therapy for forgiving myself of useless burdens of guilt from my past. and yes the ginger beer is full of sugar! I was bouncing off the walls...better not do that very often.

Lav, there is a wonderful enlightenment in your 'I don't give a crap what they think anymore' that's awesome! a famous yogi made a statement like that at a seminar some years ago and stunned the crowd.

Sam, I think my sense of humor has saved my life many a time. it's very important.

be well everyone!

**YoungAtHeart** · August 7, 2013, 07:33 PM

AF Wed 7 August

MAE all!

TT, I'm sure that whatever you are imagining is much worse that the actual criticism. Our brains can really run away with us sometimes. I'm glad that you have other things to focus on in the interim.

Cinders, take care of yourself, dear. I hope you will be seeing the neurologist sooner rather than later. If you regular doc is useless, find another one! It's a pain in the neck to find a good doctor, but there is nothing better than having a good doc. When you get there, I think you will love being your own boss. You are a different woman now that you aren't travelling all over the place. I noticed it even before you stopped drinking, but now without the booze you are fabulous. It will come to you, one step at a time!

Hi Pauly, glad you enjoy the thread. Mick is certainly our master of humor. I don't know how he does it, but I don't ask, I just enjoy.

Lav, I have two words for you: peach salsa!

Hope things are getting resolved, Sam.

Hi to SF, and everyone else.

I've gotten 2 new clients. Yay me!

:l
YahYah

**Samstone** · August 7, 2013, 09:13 PM

AF Wed 7 August

Hello all
did the lawyer thing and insurance thing today. Just have to wait and see what shakes down. In a much better frame of mind...sleep is a key factor to my keeping my wits about me, that and having this great bunch of cyber friends here!

Sam

**TheSunFlower** · August 7, 2013, 10:10 PM

AF Wed 7 August

Det....I have a picture I took that you would really appreciate. I can't get it to paste in a PM or here

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