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    This talk about the word 'alcoholic' makes me think of the first WFS statement:

    I have a life-threatening problem that once had me.

    The folks at WFS do not like the word 'alcoholic' and so most don't use it. I don't like it either, never felt comfortable with it. This is a label no one wants. It is static in its evaluation, implies there is never positive change, and the shame covers you like slime that won't wash off. Semantically, it has a place in the English language Hall of Shame. People who aren't 'alcoholics' and want you to use this word to describe yourself come off as linguistically condescending even when they are trying so hard to be compassionate, and because language is so powerful, we know this at a subconscious level if not consciously, which is why we get so pissed when counselors and others try this jargon out on us. Slapping the word 'recovering' on the front does nothing more in my mind than try to whitewash the term, make it palatable for those who have to ingest it. Nonetheless, the connotations of both 'alcoholic' and 'recovering alcoholic' are, in general, not pleasant. People who are alcoholics and use the word to seriously describe themselves, in my mind, do each other a disservice and serve only to lower the morale of the group. Group think is strong. Now, I don't mind a little joking around about being alkies, as long as we take back the word and use it for our purposes. Kind of like the word 'girl.' Remember the days when we couldn't stand being called girls, especially by men in authority? Now, it's okay for us to be called girls under two circumstances: it has to be casual, and we women have to either instigate the use or condone it implicitly. Hence the popularity of "You go, girls!"

    All this meandering gets me back to the first statement above. I have a problem. I could have easily lost my life and definitely shortened it. It once HAD me, but it DOES NOT have me now. This empowers me as a human being. It does not statically label me. It allows me to move forward without the shackles of a semantically outdated and negative word. What am I if not a 'recovering alcoholic'? I'm defining myself as a capable, confident, caring, compassionate woman who once upon a time let a life-threatening problem lead her around by the nose.

    I joined WFS before I did here, but you all made me feel comfortable and like I might succeed with your help. I felt like I could always switch to the moderating boards if I drank, haha. I think if we are going to their conference, I'd better introduce myself over there! I hope I haven't offended anyone with my views about the word 'alcoholic.' I am not minimizing where we've been and what we've done. I am simply avoiding negative, emotionally laden, outdated language and calling my spade my spade: I was a heavy drinker, and I don't drink anymore. I know several confident, caring men and women who define themselves this way. I also know several 'alcoholics' and I invite all of you to contrast such people, how they view themselves and how society views them.

    I drank in my dream last night. I did not get drunk, but it was not fun because all the lying behavior surfaced for me to contemplate. In my dream, as I drank, I was thinking about lying about it. I know I dreamt that to remind me of the lie I become when I drink. Not going there! I'm getting close to 70 days. xo
    Every AF day is a milestone.

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      Thanks for your thoughtful post, HR.

      The use of the term is tricky because it is used both clinically and casually: the clinical definition is not loaded with all the connotations of "alcoholic' that are there when the word is used by the general public. Clinically, there is a distinction between alcohol dependence and alcohol abuse, also. I think I abused it (defined as ' an individual is not yet physically dependent on alcohol but has nevertheless experienced one or more severe consequences directly attributable to drinking.') but was not dependent upon it ('must drink more or less continuously to maintain a level of alcohol in his or her body. If all the alcohol is metabolized the alcoholic goes into withdrawal and experiences severe, even life-threatening physical symptoms.').

      Those articles I posted yesterday discuss it as a spectrum disorder, which seems to be borne out by the wide range of experiences shared on MWO. The whole discomfort with the terminology reminds me of the "autism spectrum" conversation. A diagnosis of 'autism' is like one of 'alcoholism' - the person is defined by the words and essentially put in a box. However, mild autism, termed Asberger's, doesn't 'sound' so bad to people and so there is less shame with that diagnosis. (The terminology in that area is in turmoil, also, and Asberger's may no longer be considered a diagnostic term so I bet similar conversations are going on in those forums!).

      The diabetes literature has tried to deal with this for that disease by including a prediabetic phase [100 to 125 mg/dL (5.6 to 6.9 mmol/L)]. But that has problems, too -- I don't have a disease today when my level is 125 but tomorrow when it's 126, I am defined as a diabetic?? Plus, there is an objective measurement that at least can be made to give you an idea of where on the spectrum you are. We're lacking that for a definition of alcoholic.

      I think we've just reached the limits of language to talk about this - with the problem made worse by commonplace use of a medical term.

      For me, I know I have a problem with alcohol and my blood sugar when I consume certain things and I don't have those problems when I don't. I don't consider myself a diabetic although I clearly have the potential to be one - I suspect the same thing is true of alcoholic, given that it is a progressive disease and I was at the stage of abuse.

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        Ladies on a Mission: The Official Site

        Morning Gals!
        I will have to post later. Busy at work today.
        A quick skim of your posts, I see they are very interesting.

        Pav- I did see that you can't make it to the conference, WTF? I totally understand though

        I will be back,
        Narilly

        "Nothing in this World Can take the place of Persistence"
        "You can have the life you want OR you can Drink"

        AF April 12, 2014

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          Pavati;1610185 wrote:
          I wrote a long post in the nest tonight, so I don't have a lot more energy to type. I don't think it is anything new that I haven't said here.
          That was a fantastic post in the nest, Pav. You're helping a lot of people, including yourself .

          Sometimes I think I'm a broken record when I post and that maybe people get tired of hearing the same thing. But, there is a pretty big turnover on MWO, people read different threads, and what you get from a particular post varies, depending on where in the process you are. Something that doesn't even make sense at the beginning might really help after a few weeks AF.

          Anyway, my apologies to anyone who feels lectured to over and over but the other thing is, I know that organizing my thoughts and typing them out helps me maintain my mindset. I'm afraid it would be easy to slip backwards without some daily reminders. I'm not ready to risk it, anyway.

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            Great posts Ladies!!!!

            Ava, glad you didn't go to SIL's. I completely understand your reasoning on that one. And I think I love your kids. Joining a gym with mom???!!!!! You are a cool mom.

            Humble, great post! I agree with all of that and you made so much sense. "Shame covers you like slime that won't wash off when labeled an alcoholic." Agree. No matter what, this is the truth. Labels are detrimental to people's psyche's and have such a huge negative connotation by the public at large. And I like the positive affirmations used by the WFS, and as you said, "It allows us to move forward without the shackles." That's one thing that I disliked about the AA thing. In their eyes, you never get "better" and certainly will die without attending meetings.

            NS, I agree with you as well. "It is easy to slip back without daily reminders." Yep, wholeheartedly agree. I know I need to come here daily, sometimes just to read, sometimes to give my input, sometimes to do some deep reflecting on myself. But to touch base with someone everyday is an important part of my "program." If you don't hear or see me on here for longer than a day or two, something's definitely wrong.

            Ok, have a great night Loamers. Going to exercise!!!! Wish me luck. I'm gonna need it.
            Sometimes what you're most afraid of doing is the very thing that will set you free.

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              Gals,
              J-Vo, Humble, Sugar, the label of 'alcoholic' really is outdated. If you ask someone you know "What is an alcoholic?" What do you think they will say? Everyone you ask will have a different answer because it means something different to everyone. I don't even know what the clinical definition is. There is psychological component to it and a physical But does everyone have to suffer from one or both?
              The word definitly carries a negative connotation. And you are right, J-Vo, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic according to AA. I think this expression is so outdated and I don't use it.
              Nothing against anyone who does say they are an alcoholic AND nothing against AA. It is really good for lots of people and I found the meetings very helpful just for the support. Everyone is different.
              Positive affirmations without labels work the best for me, that is what I like about WFS (WTF

              I have to go and check out some more posts. I am mostly over here but don't seem to have much more time to post. I will try and fit that in!

              Hugs,
              Narilly

              "Nothing in this World Can take the place of Persistence"
              "You can have the life you want OR you can Drink"

              AF April 12, 2014

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                Hi all,
                NS, if we are talking terminology, then there's no way around using the word in a medical situation or context. For other areas of communication, I like to avoid it, especially when used with the verb 'to be,' as in "She is an alcoholic," which implies a definition of the person rather than a problem, condition and/or disease the person has at that moment, as in "He has a life-threatening condition" (that once had him). I love your posts and I often need to hear things more than once before they sink in, so I appreciate reminders. Have a great MAE all, will check in later!
                Every AF day is a milestone.

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                  Narilly, x-post! I agree, if people get satisfaction from using that term for themselves, then they should be able to do so. Because of its connotations, let's hope it truly goes by the wayside, and years from now it will be as strange for us to use as the word 'consumption' would be for tuberculosis.
                  Every AF day is a milestone.

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                    HumbleRider;1610555 wrote: Hi all,
                    NS, if we are talking terminology, then there's no way around using the word in a medical situation or context. For other areas of communication, I like to avoid it, especially when used with the verb 'to be,' as in "She is an alcoholic," which implies a definition of the person rather than a problem, condition and/or disease the person has at that moment, as in "He has a life-threatening condition" (that once had him). I love your posts and I often need to hear things more than once before they sink in, so I appreciate reminders. Have a great MAE all, will check in later!
                    Humble - I was pondering this question the other day. If alcoholism is a disease (which is is according to the DSM), why do you say, "She is an alcoholic," rather than "She has alcoholism?" You wouldn't say "She is breast cancer."

                    Thanks for your thoughtful posts, ladies. I have to run back to work for a meeting so I can't really say more right now. If I get back in time, I'll check in later. If not, sleep well and I'll catch up this weekend! xo

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                      Ladies on a Mission: The Official Site

                      Hi, Again:

                      I'm back and there are no new posts? You all are slacking!

                      Here is a blog post that NS posted on the relapse thread. I thought it was powerful enough to share here. A blog post from a woman whose last 5 years have been devoted to recovery - and she drank.

                      Keep working that sobriety, folks. We need to focus on ourselves. We are strong, confident women!

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                        That's a sobering post, haha. Seriously, I am afraid when I hear stories about people who relapse after long periods of time. I don't want to be one of them. Grief can do that to a person. But the fact is we have to grieve as part of life and I need to figure out a way to get through grief without drinking. I need to make a plan now.
                        Every AF day is a milestone.

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                          Pav and NS, thanks for sharing this. And I liked this particular quote:

                          Recovery, however, is not about fighting. It's about daily surrender. It's about having the courage to be vulnerable, to sit with hard feelings, to tackle hardships as they arise because anything that festers in an recovering alcoholic's brain can lead to a drink.
                          Sometimes what you're most afraid of doing is the very thing that will set you free.

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                            j-vo;1610706 wrote:
                            Recovery, however, is not about fighting. It's about daily surrender. It's about having the courage to be vulnerable, to sit with hard feelings, to tackle hardships as they arise because anything that festers in an recovering alcoholic's brain can lead to a drink.

                            The woman who wrote this, Ellie Schoenberger, has a huge online presence.
                            This is her blog: One Crafty Mother.

                            This is a site she started where people can write and share their stories anonymously: Crying Out Now.

                            And this is her podcast: The Bubble Hour.

                            I had listened to some of those previously but did not realize before that she also had websites (I highly recommend the podcasts - especially for someone like you, Scottish Lass, who spends hours in the car alone). The format generally is women just hanging out and talking about AL-related issues, much like we do in writing here. Sometimes they interview an author or an expert.

                            I didn't think she would ever drink - the fact that she did, with all she had going on in the recovery arena - is a lesson to us all. Sometimes I think I would be ok if I left MWO and just got on with my life but it is clear from blogs like this one and the podcasts that continued interaction with a sober community is essential (although not sufficient) for gaining and maintaining the lives we want and deserve.

                            This WFS affirmation from yesterday has really been on my mind: I am what I think.
                            In fact, I posted about it in the NN a bit ago. I really believe it works and the more we think, type, and read posts about the way we want to live, the more it becomes who we are.

                            This affirmation has been my biggest struggle the whole time: The past is gone forever
                            .
                            It was/is hard not to have regrets and to feel guilt/shame for my drinking.

                            Do any of you find this to be a tough one?

                            :h NS

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                              Ladies on a Mission: The Official Site

                              Hi all,
                              NS, I'm with you. I find 'The past is gone forever' incredibly difficult. I have found it fairly easy to forgive others' behavior over the years but very difficult to let go of my own past mistakes and forgive myself. Of course, with decades of hard drinking behind me, there is much to be forgiven, much guilt and shame, and much regret. Help!
                              Every AF day is a milestone.

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                                Ladies on a Mission: The Official Site

                                Oh and thanks for the links. I have listened to the Bubble hour and enjoyed it very much.
                                Every AF day is a milestone.

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