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    Gosh, Frances, that is hard. The people must have been hurting so badly and maybe no one knew. And they didn't know that change was possible. I'm sure the leaders of your daughter's school will be trying to offer help to the students in light of this and maybe another suffering youth will find what he or she needs. I'll be thinking of you :hug:

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      So sorry Frances my son's friend hung himself 2 years ago, he was only 18 he always would tell my son he was gonna do it but of course nobody took him serious, I can't even imagine feeling that hopeless and desperate,my thoughts are with you and your daughter that's too much in one week to deal with
      I have too much shit to do today and tomorrow to drink:sohappy:

      I'm taking care of the "tomorrow me":thumbsup:
      Drinkin won't help a damn thing! Will only make me sick for DAYS and that ugly, spacey dumb feeling-no thanks!

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        Originally posted by paulywogg View Post
        I can't even imagine feeling that hopeless and desperate
        Towards the end of my drinking days, I didn't feel like I cared whether I lived or died but I'm also grateful that I never felt as hopeless as the people Frances told us about must have felt.
        The good news for everyone who makes it to MWO is that enough love for ourselves remains that we somehow summon up the energy and strength to reach out for the help we need. Who knows if the people who don't make it have lost all connection with themselves or simply do not realize that help is available. The stigmas associated with addiction and other forms of mental illness make it all so hard.

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          Frances - I'm so sorry to hear about the two suicides. That's such a hard situation for all concerned. Have you been able to have a conversation with your daughter about her friend?

          Siren - I totally agree with you about sleep. The quality of my sleep is so much better when I'm AF, and I know this positively impacts my overall health. Good for you on making that commitment for yourself!
          Toolbox/Toolkit

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            Sorry to hear Frances. Take care of yourself.

            'I am part of all that I have met, yet all experience is an arch wherethro', gleams that untravelled world whose margins fade, forever and forever when I move'

            Zen soul Warrior. Freedom today-

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              Hi, all:

              Frances - I am so sorry. It is so very sad to me when suicide happens, especially in kids so young. A girl in our area went to school one day, stayed in the library to do her homework, and then left school and before going home killed herself. It was so weird to me that she could seem so "normal" to all who saw her and then just go do that. I hope your daughter is ok, Frances. That is tough.

              Welcome back, Wags. Think of your foray into drinking as an experiment gone wrong that you are now correcting. Great to have you here.

              Off to sleep. Happy hump day.

              Pav

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                Thanks everyone. The service for my former next door neighbor was very nice yesterday.

                My daughter seems to be doing OK. When we first found out we talked about how important it is to talk to someone when you are feeling depressed or overwhelmed or having suicidal thoughts. She doesn't understand why he didn't do that. I know the kids have had a difficult time and the school is offering counseling services for anyone who wants to talk.

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                  Frances, so sorry to hear of the 2 deaths by suicide. That's awful.

                  Siren, that is exactly how my dd is. She and dh played golf last Sat. and had other 2 couples over for dinner. Because she had some drinks she could not sleep Sat. night. She tells me by saying "unlike you I don't sleep well if I drink".

                  Think I will look into that Whole 30 plan. I do have the Wheat Belly book, started it but then did not pick up again.

                  It's another beautiful day in Paradise. Tues started out the same, but we ended up getting rained out. I had gone for a short run prior to golf and left house with approx 4700 steps, don't know if the rain screwed up my Garmin but after playing 9 holes I was back to 2500. Almost checked to,see if my 90 day warranty was up. Interesting that that po'd me more than if the scale goes up. :egad:
                  The pain of discipline is less than the pain of regret.

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                    Originally posted by ToMyHealth View Post
                    Siren, that is exactly how my dd is. She and dh played golf last Sat. and had other 2 couples over for dinner. Because she had some drinks she could not sleep Sat. night. She tells me by saying "unlike you I don't sleep well if I drink".
                    I was at my boyfriend's house last night. He keeps booze in - I don't. He went out to start the grill for dinner and my sneaky AL brain started thinking about making a secret drink like I used to when he'd go outside. I could have done it - but I didn't. The next thoughts were 'But I have to drive home in a bit' and 'Then I'll sleep like sh**'. Progress.

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                      Greetings to all Gloamers, those who've been here a while, and those who are new,

                      Been ages since I posted. Battling major anxiety. But still al-free, and I wouldn't want to be living any other way!

                      peace & strength to all,
                      Steady
                      AF free since April 29, 2013

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                        Originally posted by Siren53 View Post
                        my sneaky AL brain started thinking about making a secret drink like I used to when he'd go outside. I could have done it - but I didn't. The next thoughts were 'But I have to drive home in a bit' and 'Then I'll sleep like sh**'. Progress.
                        Pay attention to the thoughts that bring good feelings, Siren. Those are the ones that are leading you to where you want to be :smile:.

                        Originally posted by STEADFAST View Post
                        Greetings to all Gloamers, those who've been here a while, and those who are new,
                        Been ages since I posted. Battling major anxiety. But still al-free, and I wouldn't want to be living any other way!
                        peace & strength to all,
                        Steady
                        Great to see you, Steady. Isn't it a happy relief to know that no matter what, alcohol isn't the answer? I'm sorry you're suffering anxiety, though. I just mentioned in another thread how understanding the 3 principles has helped me tremendously in that. Have you seen this thread?: https://www.mywayout.org/community/ge...on-thread.html. Understanding now we create our experience through our moment-to-moment thoughts has been life-changing for me and has added to the increased quality of life that stopping drinking already gave me (and if I'd understood it then, would have made quitting all the easier!).
                        I hope you stop by again soon :hug:!

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                          Hi guys. Busy weekend. On Fri I attempted my 3 mi run. Quit at 1.5 mi. Tried again on Sat. and felt pretty good about it. Today we took an hour golf lesson, then played 18. Swear it was our hottest day. I quit sweating so profusely by Hole 6, but was dragging my butt 15 and on. Dunking in the pool never felt so good!
                          And here I am at 11:30p watching the Vikings/Packers game. And have alarm set to run again in a.m. Watching Aaron Rodgers all I can think of is The Batchelorette where she picked his brother.
                          Have had some nights where we had a couple drinks or wine. It's not as appealing. Funny how that happens.
                          Hi Steady. Sorry about anxiety but glad you are AF. My story is been a Modder for a long time. Attempted 30 days AF a few times and finally got it done this past Aug into Sept. Glad I did it and may choose to do again. No Sugar told me I don't have time to drink. Think she's right.
                          Vikings won! Yay!
                          The pain of discipline is less than the pain of regret.

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                            Originally posted by NoSugar View Post
                            Pay attention to the thoughts that bring good feelings, Siren. Those are the ones that are leading you to where you want to be :smile:.


                            Great to see you, Steady. Isn't it a happy relief to know that no matter what, alcohol isn't the answer? I'm sorry you're suffering anxiety, though. I just mentioned in another thread how understanding the 3 principles has helped me tremendously in that. Have you seen this thread?: https://www.mywayout.org/community/ge...on-thread.html. Understanding now we create our experience through our moment-to-moment thoughts has been life-changing for me and has added to the increased quality of life that stopping drinking already gave me (and if I'd understood it then, would have made quitting all the easier!).
                            I hope you stop by again soon :hug:!
                            Thankyou, NoSugar, it's nice to "hear your voice." Will check out that link, thankyou. Hope you're doing well. I saw a few pages back you posted about purchasing a small bottle. Thankyou for posting about it, it's a good reminder to us all that even long-time AF people can get that close to the danger zone. Have had al thoughts, and as a consequence the subconscious has tried to reconcile by manifesting al dreams - waking up to realise I haven't drunk al is a good start to the day!
                            AF free since April 29, 2013

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                              Originally posted by ToMyHealth View Post
                              Hi guys. Busy weekend. On Fri I attempted my 3 mi run. Quit at 1.5 mi. Tried again on Sat. and felt pretty good about it. Today we took an hour golf lesson, then played 18. Swear it was our hottest day. I quit sweating so profusely by Hole 6, but was dragging my butt 15 and on. Dunking in the pool never felt so good!
                              And here I am at 11:30p watching the Vikings/Packers game. And have alarm set to run again in a.m. Watching Aaron Rodgers all I can think of is The Batchelorette where she picked his brother.
                              Have had some nights where we had a couple drinks or wine. It's not as appealing. Funny how that happens.
                              Hi Steady. Sorry about anxiety but glad you are AF. My story is been a Modder for a long time. Attempted 30 days AF a few times and finally got it done this past Aug into Sept. Glad I did it and may choose to do again. No Sugar told me I don't have time to drink. Think she's right.
                              Vikings won! Yay!
                              TMH, I tried to kid myself I could moderate for many, many wasted years. Yes, I think NS is right, you don't have time to drink! Best wishes to you. Stay strong.
                              AF free since April 29, 2013

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                                Hi Steady, lovely to see you pop in, dont be a stranger!
                                AF free 1st December 2013 - 1st December 2022 - 9 years of freedom

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