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**treetops** · October 16, 2014, 02:22 AM

Evening Mick - well its morning to you and still Wednesday for some. yes I think I know what you meant about the guy you described. You were being empathetic and not judgmental. Who knows what goes on in peoples lives when they resort to the booze.

But Afraid I had a not-so-good moment today - been feeling very tired and low - its just the daily grind and it seems never-ending sometimes. We all feel like that. I had a touch of the vulnerables around 5pm - nothing major - just an old nostalgic yearning for the easy 5pm fix. The stuff they bottle at airports in South Africa (saying that makes it sound so gross!). When my partner came home we talked it over (not South Africa) - daughter was part of the conversation too - and they were great. I mean all they did was listen and say a few positive things - reinforce what I said about why I can't drink and don't want to drink. Had a few laughs even.
I also thought about you guys - and about being accountable. So vulnerables are over.
I am definitely a morning person!
Hope everyone is Ok - did you post yesterday Sam? Sorry I am not listing everyone but you all have a good day.

**Samstone** · October 16, 2014, 07:46 AM

morning all
I, too, have a quick check in.... rained like hell yesterday (always wondered what that would look like) and rain today. Got absorbed in survey work yesterday researching.
TT, began a post and got distracted and never got back to it.
Mick, will send some pics along re greenhouse once the monsoon weather subsides. Need to pick my apples as well. I have a variety that is a late apple called the Arkansaw Black, my favorite.

Well off and rockn. Be well friends
Sam

**Lavande** · October 16, 2014, 07:53 AM

Good morning Abbers,

Hoping for at least a touch of sunshine later today. The weather folks say improvements are on the way - hope so.

Mick, I understand what you are saying & TT is right - we can observe without be judgmental & feel true empathy for others stuck in the grip of AL. I feel that way for several family members, hard to watch them though. I drop very subtle hints which are either completely missed or violently rejected. Yeah, I still remember my brother accusing me of being the 'ultimate bitch'. I have given up with him - he's on his own now.

TT, sorry you are experiencing some low times. Of course we know we can't drink our way through them. Are you taking some mini breaks during your work day? A 5 minute spin around the block is enough to distract us I think. I also love taking a few quiet moments to focus on my breathing ~ chills me right out

Good to hear that your family is supportive.

SL, going slow & steady is a good idea for you as well! Keep the faith that everything is going to be OK. We can makes matters worse than they really are by worrying about future stuff that may or may not ever happen. I had to work hard to stop all that worrying about the future. It's nothing but a bad habit & can be changed. Our kids reflect our moods & behaviors I think so we should show them the positivity of taking one step at a time, moving forward. Hugs to you!

Greetings to PQ, SF, Det, Sam, DTD & everyone stopping by today!
Have a wonderful AF Thursday everyone!

Lav

**TheSunFlower97** · October 16, 2014, 02:30 PM

Mick...good reminder. I would have patted myself on the back, thinking..." I'm not that bad......I don't show up on the job after drinking"

Little miss high and mighty.....all the while probably struggling with a hangover.

Lav....it really is a struggle with the school thing. I have no doubt my son has the capabilities to do awesome things in life....I just am trying to minimize the damage the whole school thing does to his self image. SL...it is so hard. I sent something into the school about our next "intervention" with him....and I have heard nothing back so far.

And boy am I glad I got myself slowed down. I get into overwhelm and anxiety mode. I had seen the doc....got the meds.....and then decided the last thing I want to do is get myself on 2 medications that need to be taken long term. I know enough about natural supplements and should know better. I did order the Amoryn that Lav used to talk about and have the Seredryn. Dug out my natural supplement supplies.....

My mom has severe depression.....not high anxiety.....but, I have watched her over the years be put on med after med with no relief.

The thing is.....my son is exactly like me in regards to anxiety and overwhelm. I am curious on the thoughts on trying natural supplements with him? At a much lower dose.....I think trying that route is going to be best to try first vs. these docs who are all too happy to hand out meds.

TT....I can empathize with missing the "break". I don't want to drink......but, I do recall how the opening of the bottle signaled....shut down time. And no sometimes a hot bath isn't going to do the trick! Good for hanging in there. Sometimes I still think my hubby thinks surely after all this time...one or two would not hurt.

Today I upped my commitment to my meditation practice. And I do yoga with my son everyday when he gets home. It helps both of us.....its keeping ahold of the hold "yoga mind".....that is hard to do. The asanas are the easy part

Everyone...have a a great day!

**porqoui** · October 16, 2014, 06:00 PM

MAE ALL....

SF...I'm glad you got yourself slowed down too. I struggled with depression for awhile and none of the med's made any difference. I also experienced major anxiety while going through my marriage breakdown. But that was due to the ex harassing me as he didn't want me to leave. Other than the odd "blues" day I've been depression and anxiety free since I gave up the booze. I think it's just great that your son like to do yoga with you. Can only see positives coming from that.

TT...glad to hear you made it through the vulnerables. No quick fixes for us these days and that's ok. I too am a morning person and I hope your Friday is going good.

Lav...if I remember right this is a non-curves day. Hope you enjoyed your day.

Sam...can't wait to see the greenhouses...deal with Mother Nature would you.

Mick...yup, hand in the air, that would be judging away. That's one of my big gratitudes, I am grateful that I can emphasize and not judge anymore. It really is possible to re-train the brain. Hope your venture today went well. Got to ask, what does BBT mean? I must have missed that post awhile ago or did it come from FB? I'm starting to catch on that I'm not always missing posts it's because some make references to Lav's FB page. Friday tomorrow so you can sleep in...yeah right!

Gave myself permission to leave an hour early today. I'm going to have to do that more often. Sure makes a difference not having to rush home and deal with dinner right away. Hope you all have peaceful AF Thursday evening all and all to still come.....:happy2:PPQP

**Lavande** · October 16, 2014, 08:00 PM

Good evening kids,

Glad I checked back in tonight

SF, my son was born in 1980 - right about the time Dr Feingold was publishing his first book on diet & ADHD. A friend of mine jumped right on it because two of her three kids were out of control. Don't know if you're familiar with it but it's basically removing artificial food colorings, flavorings, preservatives ~ all the chemical stuff. Well, a few years later I found I needed something to help with my son so I jumped on the bandwagon. It helped but it wasn't enough & I did eventually get him in to an educational counselor. I flat out refused to put him on any meds! Meds may treat the behavior symptoms & shut up the teachers but they don't teach the kid the coping skills he really needs. Now, there is a lot of research on omega & DHEA supplements, they may be very helpful. Also, in this day and age a trip to a naturopath would be a good choice

We never got any real help from the public school system - you need to keep an eye on them.

PQ, nice to take a little time for yourself, huh? Good for you!
I actually did go to Curves today because Wednesday was hijacked my unruly grandson

Mick sees things I put on FB & responds to them here. He shouldn't confuse people like that!!! LOL

It finally stopped raining here & the sun arrived at dinnertime. Hoping to see it return tomorrow

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