AF Tuesday 6 January

[treetops]

Hi there everyone, well I managed to get some ‘real’ work done today. Still more to do tonight but thought I should start the Tuesday thread as I am usually too tired to do this later on at night.
A bit here on Monday about the kerfuffle over the thread Mick responded to.
Like Pie, I actually like to read some of the other threads and I don’t see any harm in this. Sometimes I respond to them but I usually don’t. You can tell which ones are sort of ‘closed’ and I think its important to respect that other little groups have their way of finding a way out of AL addiction. Having said that, all threads are also ‘open’ and members of the wider MWO community do chip in to different threads sometimes.
Often the individual threads are where people are asking for help and so they can expect a range of opinions. I guess its always going to be tricky when there are different views about how to tackle more crisis-type situations – like tapering. Or when people ask for advice about pursuing a course of action that did not work for you (and many others).

I am one of the ones here who is not looking forward to my daughter leaving home – and I feel for you Pauly. My girl has one more year of high school but I don’t know what she will do in 2016. Probably university and she might or might not leave home for this. I can’t dwell on it though.

Pie, I am not sure how long it takes to loose all the old habits of drinking. It was gradual for me and I developed little rituals and new habits. Sometimes I think a drink would be nice but I remind myself that it would never be just one – and it would soon become a daily pattern – and a problem. I also had a serious health scare and so drinking AL again is a sure way for me to develop serious and deadly liver problems. I put AL in the poison bucket and avoid it like I would if I was allergic to a food. And its not a problem for me to have AL in the house.

Speaking of health – tomorrow is time to visit the GP – such joy! I had a routine blood test yesterday.

Have a good Tuesday everyone else – Lav, PPQP, SL, Narilly, Det, Sam – as well as Mick, Pauly and Pie. Time now for me to get started on dinner.

[Mick]

morning all...and how are we today then?all good I hope..well thre was a reply on that thread,and just had to reply to it,but thats it ...this site is about helping people,and I aint getting involved in personal debate...Kuya did that and it went a bit pear shaped..for me its quite simple really..I ask for help,people reply,I take what bits may fit my own personal circumstances and tr them ..if they work fine ,if not then back to the forum...pretty sure this is how it all evolved,there wasnt in the beginning a list that everyone stuck to and ticked off as they did it....and then they relate how they did it and so on......
Also Lav is right......this thread was here waaaaaay back before I quit,so really it belongs to every single one of us who is making the quit..I remember some of the names shue ,sausage etc be interesting to see what happened to them...remember looking at all the names and thinking wow and in those dark days sitting wonderin if ever.........

ok on we go.....got to make an appt at the docs ..dreadin it......... tea n coffee on the go now.

hiya tt..word not heard for yonks...kerfuffle....lives next door to palaver!!glad you got some real work done.....as for daughtee leaving home...I think mine did !!tho copious amounts of washing and eating us out of house and home do continue!!

hiya ppqp...thanks for the comments (as everyone else)...glad things are working out better for you and son,how was work today?slowly slowly see whats happening?

likewise Sl..back into the fray?first day back at school for daughters..how are they feeling now ...you still doing the Florence Nightingale bit with them?


mornin Sam..hows you today then mate?our fuel prices are going down yet again today......they are being a bit cute tho....its petrol prices that are taking the big drop,not diesel!and a large% if not the greater drive diesel cars now here...so whats on the cards for you today then?hows the mushroom farm doing ..not heard of that for a wee while....here you go ..a cuppa joe!!

hiya Lav..how are you today then?all good?guardian angel aint that good...gotta go to docs!!watched a programme las night on a channel we get ..pbs america..all about the Amish..a proper documentary not Levis gang!!very informative.as for that thread ..as I said the person concerned apologised and explained so for me job done,but for every bandwagon theres gotta be band ..if you get my drift!! thanks for puttin it right re our thread...finished kitchen last night apart from painting door frame and tiling..go to say it looks nice ..madam is chuffed so thats what counts...so whats on the cards for you today after this brew??

hiya ab ..long time no see ..jump in and welcome!!

hiya pauly....bobbi got it right....you know where we all are..if you get p.ssed off just send us a pm..get promise to reply straight away...but I will....oh and just to cheer you up ..check the avatar!!!!

hiya pie..you watch your fingers with that chopsaw ..it aint called that for nothing.....are the boards for in the house or outside?no nails is good but if you get a bend in the board it isnt gonna happen..take it by baseboards you mean floor boards..if so and they are on show,why not drill and screw the boards down,but drill the top of the board little bit bigger,so that the screw head goes inside..then make some wooden plugs put them in the hole and sand over it ?sounds a lot but itll look good..I also use bri-wax on my wood its a cracking wax polish...main thing is watch the fingys!!as for your post on how long it takes to stop thinking of booze...again only my opinion here..for me it will never go away,the thinking is an action,put it this way......when you go shopping and see something and you cant afford it..do you walk away or pinch it?when you are married and see other men/women do you just blank them or think he/she is nice?and walk on..or do you try to get something going with them...same with booze and cigs..even now at certain times I fancy a ciggy or,indeed in some situations it has come up ..could murder a beer...fine youve had the thought move on..hope that helps ...thinking is the action ,doing is the reaction.

right peeps ..think Ive caught up now except to say reading the posts again.....Lav...drinking tea????you mentioned it..now is that a thinking or doing???have a great day....


Yo mama is so stupid that it took her 2 hours to watch 60 Minutes!
Yo mama is so stupid that when your dad said it was chilly outside, she ran out the door with a spoon.
Yo mama is so stupid that when she saw the "Under 17 not admitted" sign at a movie theatre, she went home and got 16 friends.
Yo mama is so stupid that when she went for a blood test, she asked for time to study.
Yo mama is so stupid that she got locked in a grocery store and starved!
Yo mama is so stupid that you have to dig for her IQ!
Yo mama is so stupid that she tripped over a cordless phone!
Yo mama is so stupid that she sold her car for gas money!
Yo mama is so stupid that she told everyone that she was "illegitimate" because she couldn't read.
Yo mama is so stupid that that she tried to put M&M's in alphabetical order!
Yo mama is so stupid that she took the Pepsi challenge and chose Dr. Pepper.
Yo mama is so stupid that she thought Delta Airlines was a sorority.
Yo mama is so stupid that she thinks Fleetwood Mac is a new hamburger at McDonalds!
Yo mama is so stupid that she bought a videocamera to record cable tv shows at home.
Yo mama is so stupid that when she read on her job application to not write below the dotted line she put "OK".
Yo mama is so stupid that she thought Grape Nuts was an STD.
Yo mama is so stupid that she spent twenty minutes lookin' at an orange juice box because it said "concentrate".
Yo mama is so stupid that she asked me what yield meant, I said "Slow down" and she said "What... does.... yield... mean?"
Yo mama is so stupid that she thought Dunkin' Donuts was a basketball team!
Yo mama is so stupid that she put a phone up her ass and thought she was making a booty call.
Yo mama is so stupid that she thinks Tiger Woods is a forest in India.
Yo mama is so stupid that she put on her glasses to watch 20/20.
Yo mama is so stupid that she climbed over a glass wall to see what was behind it.
Yo mama is so stupid that she failed a survey.
Yo mama is so stupid that she stopped at a stop sign and waited for it to say go.
Yo mama is so stupid, she went to the aquarium to buy a Blu-Ray.
Yo mama is so stupid that I told her I was reading a book by Homer and she asked if I had anything written by Bart.
Yo mama is so stupid that she tried to commit suicide by jumping out of the basement window.
Yo mama is so stupid that she needs twice as much sense to be a half-wit.
Yo mama is so stupid that she thought brownie points were coupons for a bake sale.
Yo mama is so stupid that when the computer said "Press any key to continue", she couldn't find the 'Any' key.
Yo mama is so stupid that she thought Tupac Shakur was a Jewish holiday.
Yo mama is so stupid that when I was drowning and yelled for a life saver, she said "Cherry or Grape?"
Yo mama is so stupid that she sat in a tree house because she wanted to be a branch manager.
Yo mama is so stupid that I saw her jumping up and down, asked what she was doing, and she said she drank a bottle of medicine and forgot to shake it.
Yo mama is so stupid that when she locked her keys in the car, it took her all day to get Yo family out.
Yo mama is so stupid that she got locked out of a convertible car with the top down.
Yo mama is so stupid that when she pulled into the drive-thru at McDonald's, she drove through the window.
Yo mama is so stupid that she put 2 quarters in her ears and thought she was listening to 50 cent.
Yo mama is so stupid that she was on the corner with a sign that said "Will eat for food."
Yo mama is so stupid that in the 'No Child Left Behind' act there's a provision that exempts yo mama.
Yo mama is so stupid that she got locked in a Furniture store and slept on the floor.
Yo mama is so stupid that she peals M&M's to make chocolate chip cookies.
Yo mama is so stupid that she leaves the house for the Home Shopping Network.
Yo mama is so stupid that she brought a cup to the movie "Juice."
Yo mama is so stupid that she thinks fruit punch is a gay boxer.
Yo mama is so stupid that she uses Old Spice for cooking.
Yo mama is so stupid that she threw a rock the ground and missed.
Yo mama is so stupid that she went to the store to buy a color TV and asked what colors they had.
Yo mama is so stupid that she tries to email people by putting envelopes into her computer's disk drive.
Yo mama is so stupid that when she took an IQ test, the results came out negative.
Yo mama's so stupid that she though Jar-Jar came with Pickles-Pickles

The Queen is to make a three-day state visit to Germany with the Duke of Edinburgh this summer.

Prince Philip is said to be watching old episodes of Fawlty Towers in preparation for the visit.

"I'd like to check myself out," I said to the receptionist at the hotel.

"Go ahead, there's a mirror behind you," she said.

I've been offered a job as a research assistant at the world's most advanced computer technology firm.

I just need to fax them a copy of my C.V.

The schools are back, holidays over, the traffic is mad with accidents all over the place.

I'm just going to sit in my car, read the paper and keep warm with the engine running until its all over.

I love being a traffic cop.

My friend has just rung to say he's bought a bubble car.

He's going to pop round in it later.

[Pie]

Thanks, PQ, Lav, TT, and Mick for your replies to my question about when the drinking thoughts might go away. Mick, good point. It's not what I think, but rather what I do in response that matters. TT, you're words, "I remind myself that it would never be just one – and it would soon become a daily pattern – and a problem," are helpful and similar to what my mentor said. "Pie, we just need to accept the fact that we can't drink a little, therefore we don't drink at all."

Will post more later, but wanted to get your wise words in one place at the start of this day.

[Lavande]

Good Tuesday morning Abbers!

Yes, it's snowing!!
Only a few inches predicted, at least I hope so. It's 18 degrees outside, freaking cold!!!!

Greetings TT, Mick, Pie & everyone!
Sorry I made you cry on your birthday PQ, Ha Ha!

I have been able to stay in touch with greenie & shue on Facebook which is nice
They both seem to be just fine. DG pops in here once in a blue moon, she's a busy girl preparing for life as an addictions counselor I believe. I have actually found quite a few former & present MWO folks on Facebook which is nice.

I'm sticking around here this morning, have a dental cleaning at 3 pm. Hopefully the roads will be in good shape by then.
Wishing everyone a wonderful AF Tuesday!

Lav

[paulywogg]

Mae everybody, love the avatar Mick,Pie,I'm like you in that so many things in my daily life included al,even mundane things like grocery shopping, laundry, whatever, at first it was hard to do anything without thinking of al,but eventually it didn't cross my mind doing these things, however certain things still trigger me like bbq'ing,casinos, going to certain friends houses etc,I skipped works Christmas party this year cuz I knew it would be a drunk fest,and it was according to stories and fb pics,me and hubs can't go watch bands anymore, no way! So in a way I'm a hermit, but I was a hermit before my drinking career so I guess that's the real me anyways,SL,as I said yesterday I hope it blows over and she comes back, I hate anybody on mwo feeling like they don't fit in,I used to feel that way sometimes,so I barged in on this thread and the steppers haha,hating Tuesday today,I've been having pit in my stomach anxiety yesterday and today, I dunno why,Lav,can evening primrose cause anxiety? Google is contradictory, some say yay other nay,supposed to help,I defo know it messes with my sleep,well shoot I've gone on and on,hello TT,Det,Sam,PPQP,SF all the readers,hopefully we all have a good Tuesday

[Samstone]

Morning all
Lav, same snow has dusted the ground here and cold, shoot, actually feels like winter now! Hawks will be circling now.

TT thanks for the kick off. One thin is for sure, when I came to MWO, I was feeling very wobbly. I was determined to quit but I felt pretty friendless in the drinking world that surrounds us. It was all self inflicted as I later found. My friends didn't care one way or another, as it should be. Yet I know folks here are in all kinds of different circumstances and when asking for advice may be drinking so reactions can be off the charts.

Ok, enough flogging the horse.

Morning Mick, how's you be? My part in the mushrooms is minimal right now. It will start up again this April. They grow them still for 2 markets that go all winter. I like the "concentrate" joke! You must not be a hunt and peck typist like me! Good luck with the doc.

Morning Pi, guess the only thing I can add is to remember to enjoy your quit and always remember how it good it feels. That usually negates my urges when they occur. Usually my "longing" happens looking at sunsets and a moment of relaxing. In answer to you ?? in previous thread, I live in Virginia. Been here at the same place forever!

PQ, hope you're nice and warm! Morning to you SL, Pauly, Det, Narilly, ET ALS!!!!
Sam

[narilly]

Morning everyone! I will drop by later when I can catch up. I've been on here too long already.

Talk soon,

[scottish lass]

Morning all - back in office today - waded thru emails yesterday!
Got eyes checked yesterday - we have talked about how self care went by the wayside - managed to get Drs and dentist back on track last year, but left eyes - he said it was over four years....no wonder I am squinting...think it is time to actually wear the glasses prescribed! New glasses on the way! Had to chose when eyes were dilated, hope they are actually cute! Good luck at the dentist Lav - hope you get thru the snow.
Girls are much better, thanks Mick - no more nursing! They had their quota!
Will check in after work - usually when everyone else has moved on....

[treetops]

Sam - I also get the odd twinge at relaxing moments now. When I was on holiday I was a bit conscious that I didn't wind down and sit for ages nursing a glass and taking in the gorgeous view. Nursing an AF drink or a cup of tea doesn't string out for hours for me. But lets face it - I am not a sitting there and staring into the sunset sort of person. I have my moments of quietude and when I do its most likely to be without anything in my hand.
I have also found that since I quit AL I don't enjoy the pre-drinks scenario at some dinners. Its not the AL - its the standing around and making small talk, whilst actually probably hungry. I will do this when sociability demands it - but can't be bothered when its my own scene. And have discovered that others who don't drink (including children!) can't be bothered with this ritual either. AL used to glide me through a whole lot of social events but now I take from the event what its actual purpose is (meeting friends/food/business). And I focus on that and try to not make it consume hours and hours.
Going to the casino is not on my social calendar either Pauly - and I don't like big music events or festivals - never did.
On the plus side - I now go to the theatre more than I used to - and its great to be able to really concentrate and not get anxious about when the intermission will arrive or when the play will end so that I can have a drink. I also watch far more movies (as a form of relaxation late at night) and its great to be able to remember details and discuss the movie later. I also read a variety of newspapers (on-line) late at night which I would have had problems doing in my former life!
Another advantage right now - morning views are better now - bright sunlight is not a problem any more!

Sorry to rabbit on - I need to get on with my writing!

[porqoui]

MAE ALL ....

Checking in from work just to let you know that now the temps have increased (we're at -15C/5F) we're under a Snow Fall Warning!! Can't win!
Will check back when I get home.....:PPQP

[paulywogg]

Still struggling with wicked anxiety!!! I wonder if it's because of Bobbi being gone and instead of being depressed and crying, it's manifesting as anxiety instead? Jesus,or it's gotta be something I'm taking, I sometimes have a low grade anxiety anyways but this Shit feels like al anxiety or withdrawal, grrrr, I'm irritated

[Pie]

Yes, Mick. The baseboards, as we call them, run along the floor. (Will attempt to post a photo.) Your method does sound labor intensive, but if I get an especially bendy board, sounds like a good option. Biggest challenge using liquid nails is weighting the baseboards against the wall until the adhesive dries. I read online that one guy used sandbags, but I'm fresh out of those! Do have some heavy patio stones though that I wrapped in plastic to do the job. Goes very quickly, except for the drying part. Then I need to wait in order to use the stones on the next part.
baseboard.jpg

[Pie]

Still struggling with wicked anxiety!!! I wonder if it's because of Bobbi being gone and instead of being depressed and crying, it's manifesting as anxiety instead? Jesus,or it's gotta be something I'm taking, I sometimes have a low grade anxiety anyways but this Shit feels like al anxiety or withdrawal, grrrr, I'm irritated

Hi Pauly, Sorry to hear about the anxiety. That can be pretty uncomfortable. I have the Calm meditation app on my phone that's come in very handy when I need to settle down. You can do 2, 5, or 10 minute sessions anywhere you are. Maybe check it out.

[treetops]

The good thing Pauly is that you are aware of your feelings and talking about them. Even if they are horrible, I think its better to be in touch with these feelings rather than mask them with AL.
Hugs!

[paulywogg]

Oh TT,I know al would only make it 4 times worse anyways, I'll be ok,hopefully this passes by tomorrow, looks good Pie