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    WITH RESPECT-MODERATORS ONLY PLEASE

    Grangelady, Gyco, Janka and everyone who is moderating or have a goal of moderating. I post this after reading Grangelady?s post ?What IS drinking in moderation?????? on August 23, 2010.

    Respecfully, I request that only those moderating (whatever that is for you) or with goals of moderating contribute to this thread. I?d like this to be a thread where we openly share our successes and struggles on our journey to discover what will be acceptable for us as individuals without af advice immediately being thrown in our path.

    I do not discount the opinions and advice of long term af?rs or those with completely af goals. I have much respect for their personal decisions and opinions and value them for their collective experiences and knowledge. I realize some of you may not agree with or be comfortable with this approach but feel I need a place to feel completely comfortable with and not feel that I am snubbing af?rs opinions or that I am triggering anyone.

    A bit about my drinking history: I considered myself a ?normal? social drinker for most of my life. I did not drink alone and occasionally got drunk with friends. More so in my late teens and 20?s til having my first child. Mostly my thing was to spend time in nature either cottaging or camping. I was not much of a bar person. Loved to get the hell out of the city which is why I struggle to still live in the country. I continued to drink socially after children. I distinctly remember telling my husband (now wasband) when my oldest was about 3 that I wanted HIM to slow down.

    Fast forward to marriage breakdown and being the targeted parent in parental alienation manipulated by my ex for the last 10 years. I?ve posted this site before for those who would like more insight Parents ? Parental Alienation Disorder. I experienced and continue to experience the severe level categorizing it as ?syndrome? not disorder. I post this for your information and context only.

    10 years ago I discovered and must say fell in love with Pinot Noir wines. I would consume a 750ml bottle over an evening with a meal several times a week and had no problem with this. I am very healthy and continue to be so. As the alienation continued so did my al consumption. In the last three years I gradually started binge drinking as I realized my situation may never be reconciled. This would mean drinking up to 3 bottles not every night but with increasing frequency.

    I found MWO last October. I became a member and made my first post in April 2010. I have had a few af stretches (29dys, 23dys and currently 21dys) (all in all 20 al dys in 134dys). My goal is a clear head to accept my circumstances, break my habit and come to a happier place where I can enjoy my precious Pinot without guilt once again.

    I read a statement from Gyco which really resonated with me. He said it is easier to have a couple/few drinks than to have none at all. That is my goal. I have had some wonderful times sharing food and wine with friends and so want to be able to do just that again without the isolating binges that I had come to practice.

    So I hope that I haven?t offended anyone and that those who resonate with my post will join in and openly share their journey to moderation ? whatever that is for them without fear of guilt or shame for where they are currently.

    I am currently researching and considering taking Kudzu to aid in my reduction intake when I decide to drink. Something I found to be very interesting in my reading was that Kudzu is a coolant and al is a heater, which really makes me link it to being a thermogenic and it's ability to help with my weight. I've always been a healthy eater and maintained a healthy (attractive) weight. Since reducing my al consumption I have gained 5-10 lbs without changing my diet! Hmmmm

    Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible.


    St. Francis of Assisi

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    Ringing Cedars, I agree with your comments above and hope to moderate. I take the supps and just started with the Hypno tapes. One of the benefits on the top of my motivation to cut down list was to lose 5 pounds or so. If the Kudzu counteracts that, I will lose interest. Yikes.
    Tipplerette

    I do this for my children, my grandchildren, my health, my peace of mind, and mostly for the opportunity to learn to live with my true, unfiltered, clear-headed, vulnerable self.

    "If you do not change direction, you may end up where you are heading."
    ? Lao-Tzu

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      RC - I completely agree with what you have posted, and am very glad you have started this thread. I've actually missed the activity in this section lately, as I generally go to long-term mods. So, I'd like to join in!

      Me - I have often been a social drinker (a bit too social in the teen years), but throughout my 20s and early 30s I was either a non- or a moderate- drinker. I drank daily for the first time during the final two years of my first marriage, then reverted to moderate drinking again (in charge of two teens on my own). Some years later I received disabling injuries which led to the loss of my career, chronic pain, and extreme anxiety. Although I managed to stay away from the astonishing assortment of drugs that were available to me (up to and including morphine), I succumbed again to daily drinking - at bottle of wine or more a day. At the worst, about 3.5 years ago, the pain had taken over my life, my hair was falling out in clumps, I was afraid to leave the house, and I started to add vodka to the mix. This lasted only a few weeks, as the extra AL just made me ill. So... back to a bottle or more of wine per night, until about a year ago, when I cut that in half, but still drank daily. I came here in February, started regular AF days, and committed to moderate drinking.

      Today - I drink 3 or 4 days per week, 2-4 drinks per day. When I started here I gave myself a year to get to what I thought was a "reasonable" consumption. I think I have a ways to go yet, but am delighted at the changes in my life.

      Definitions of moderate drinking - hmmmmm. Maybe another topic!

      Thanks again for starting this thread. :thanks:
      "Kinda brainy, but with no common sense..." by permission of Anotherday

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        Hi Folk's,

        I'll drink (ginger beer) to that RC.
        Fair and valid point.

        Best wishes on your journey.

        'I am part of all that I have met, yet all experience is an arch wherethro', gleams that untravelled world whose margins fade, forever and forever when I move'

        Zen soul Warrior. Freedom today-

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          Hi Tippler and CG-thanks for your replies. Sounds like you are both moderating fairly successfully to me.

          I recall some of your posts in the past Tippler. What is you goal again?

          Sorry about your injuries CG and good for you for staying free of the pharmaceuticals. Have you healed your injuries?

          Well I started this thread and the very same day ended up drinking almost 2 bottles of wine after 21 days af. That is not moderate drinking by any means. I had bought them intending to share with a couple of friends but the evening was cancelled. I?ve been af since but today thought I would like to buy a bottle for myself to sup on as I stacked winter?s wood this evening. It does help the back. The weather hasn?t really cooperated and so no wine.

          I like your idea of giving yourself a year to reach your goal CG. I think I may adopt a similar target, after all I did not overnight lose control, so it makes sense that it may take some time to regain control(if it?s to be).

          UKblonde made the point that moderation is when drinking does not cause problems in your life. I think that is a very good way to view our relationship with al.

          Personally I would not have a problem overindulging on occasion with friends if I knew I had a day to kick back and rest up after. Example: a girlfriend and I took in the Eagles concert this summer and we had a blast drinking a few Tequila Rose shots before and a few glasses of wine. We also had a few beers during the concert. Cabbed back to our room and ordered pizza and had a couple more. Yes I was "feeling good" and yes I was "feeling rough" the next day. But I wouldn't trade that night out with my girlfriend for anything.

          I also would not have a problem drinking a bottle of wine by myself as I am by myself practically all the time. It had begun to interfere with my energy levels and work performance. No physical cravings or withdrawal symptoms, I just like my wine when it serves me and I don?t end up abusing it! So the journey continues?.

          Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible.


          St. Francis of Assisi

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            Guitarista;954860 wrote: Hi Folk's,

            I'll drink (ginger beer) to that RC.
            Fair and valid point.

            Best wishes on your journey.
            Thank you G bloke! You're a gent.
            btw I read somewhere you were willing to share your music. I would love to hear it and will gladly pm you my email address.

            Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible.


            St. Francis of Assisi

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              great post RC.
              i think what strikes me most is that many people start out on here being problem drinkers, but stating they they wish to moderate only. why? i don't know.
              being on here has taught me a fair bit about control ( of al over me vs me over al) respect (of others, their beliefs,values & philosophies) & habits, & most of all that alcoholism is a disease that affects so very many kind & wonderful people.

              i've been here last year, managed to moderate succesfully to 2 drinks per night for 3 weeks, but then drifted away from the site & with that, drifted away from controlling al instead of vice versa.
              so i'm back & just trying to retrain my thinking.
              i'm not "depriving" myself of al, i choose NOT to be negative about having a couple.
              i don't like to talk about "fighting" this problem as for me (no offence anyone ) that very words gives me negative connotations. i'm trying to link drinking al in small quantities with good things.
              Angelcakes says in her sig : "being able to choose not to drink is a blessing" or something like that.
              i very much enjoy going onto the Undies & the Army threads as no-one chooses to interrogate me over whether i've had anything to drink or not. i like that. i like a giggle & a laugh but will read other serious threads & posts with utmost respect, & try to keep my mouth shut if i can not add anything helpful or supportive.
              so i'm ultimately trying to string together some af days, trying to be positive in doing so, & hopefully not mentally bully myself into any bad places. just being positive is a huge bonus for me. mental flagellation is an all time hobby for me. so thanks rc for bringing this up.
              i will stay around in here also!

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                Ringing Cedars,

                I completely respect where you are coming from.

                I feel the same about monthly abs and feel uncomfortable when people post who are still actively drinking/modding.

                The beauty of this forum is that there is a place for everyone.

                I wish you and everyone here only the very best in finding your way whatever that might be.

                M3
                AF Since April 20, 2008
                4 Years!!!
                :lilheart:

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                  Hi there Beagle! Funny you mentioned this: being able to choose not to drink is a blessing. I too thought what a great way to look at it.

                  I don't seem to have a problem stringing some days together(or chosing not to drink), but after some time something usually comes up--meaning an invite-- or I just miss having some wine. I have some to bottle again when I can get around to it. Part of being my own liquor control board is keeping it at my place of business and only bringing one bottle home, knowing I will not drive for another. I never really think about the cost of the wine itself as it is premium for $4.50 per bottle. It is other costs like jeapordized health--emotional and physical and loss of productiveness that I am concerned about. I do know that if I open a bottle I normally intend to drink the whole thing which I consider 4 drinks. My goal is to never open that second bottle by myself. Of course I don't intend to do this every night either.

                  Hi to Tippler and CG. Hope you're having a good day.

                  Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible.


                  St. Francis of Assisi

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                    momof3;955662 wrote: Ringing Cedars,

                    I completely respect where you are coming from.

                    I feel the same about monthly abs and feel uncomfortable when people post who are still actively drinking/modding.

                    The beauty of this forum is that there is a place for everyone.

                    I wish you and everyone here only the very best in finding your way whatever that might be.

                    M3
                    Momof3~~thank you for popping in and I really appreciate your support. I too think this forum has plenty of room for diversification and tolerance. Thanks again and all the best to you too.

                    Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible.


                    St. Francis of Assisi

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                      Not sure if this thread is destined to become an ongoing one, but I'll check in just in case.

                      "Sorry about your injuries CG and good for you for staying free of the pharmaceuticals. Have you healed your injuries?"

                      Not really, the physical limitations will be there for good, thanks for asking. The chronic pain is in remission, though (Yay). And, although I've never been on the other side of the issue, I'm thinking that managing a white wine habit may be easier than mitigating an oxycontin habit (Yay again).

                      "...overindulging on occasion with friends..."

                      That's something that, interestingly, is not an issue for me whatsoever. For whatever reason, I've never had a good friend, significant other, or close acquaintance who is a drinker. I sort of see that as a blessing, in that there are no good memories of that type for me to recapture. I truly am my own worst enemy - nobody else to implicate!

                      Have a good weekend, all, and good luck moderating in which ever way you feel is right for you.
                      "Kinda brainy, but with no common sense..." by permission of Anotherday

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                        CG this thread is in self locomotion dependent on the energy it requires.

                        I like having friends to enjoy my wine with as they are responsible and controlled. I gauge my experience with al against theirs. I have friends who drink to varying limits from 0-occasional overindulgence. In the end it isn't about them though.

                        I'm sorry your injuries sustained some limiting effects, but personally I would rather self medicate with wine rather than drugs. There are so many addicted to percs and oxycocet or whatever for pain. As we know adhering to dosage limits is essential to well being as well. Self medicating for emotional pain is a little trickier I think in that we most certainly have many other tools to address that.

                        Enjoying a bottle now and no more.....my best to one and all!

                        Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible.


                        St. Francis of Assisi

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                          Hi just wanted to say thanks for starting this thread RC. I've just attempted moderating for the first time and felt exactly the same as you when I came here to have a read and instantly felt told off by the AF'ers and that moderating was destined to failure.

                          After 100 and so AF days, I decided to have a couple of beers at a family party on Saturday night after a day of childrens parties. It was nice, I felt controlled and happy and knew when I'd had enough (I had 4 bottles of Bud but didn't finish the 4th), there is a limit to how much beer I can drink though and I was happy to switch to tea at the end of the night.

                          I woke up with a pretty clear head, singing the praises of beer! :H

                          Cue Sunday, and at another kids party, the parents had put out wine for everyone. Now, wine has always been my problem - but I felt from the previous night's experience, strong enough to have one. I drank it quite slowly for me. I had another glass a little bit later on and then all of a sudden I found myself wanting a third glass but worrying about how that might look became all I could think about, I felt restless and a bit paranoid. I filled up another half glass (by the way, everybody else just had a token one glass). but I could have happily had another 2 full glasses. I don't know if anyone was judging or not.

                          We left the party and I felt that taking myself away from the situation, getting home and starting to do things like tidy up and get the kids to bed, put me out of the mood of drinking anymore and I was then just happy to go back to tea.

                          From all of this I have deduced so far that 'I think I can moderate with beer'. 'I don't know about Spirits yet' - but wine is definitely dangerous for me and I think is what would probably jeopordise my moderating attempts and should really be avoided again.

                          I'm going to avoid AL now again for a good while so as not to get back into it too quickly.

                          I think I'll then try with spirits and see how I go with that. Although I'm thinking they might be as bad as wine as are easier to drink than beer.

                          As always - thank goodness for MWO :l
                          AF since Sunday 27th June 2010
                          One Day At A Time

                          Trying to be the best mother, daughter and friend that I can be.

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                            I am trying to mod, I think I am doing well, for now my plan is 2-3 drinks (vodka) a night, I do drink every night. I would like to be AF Sun-Thus with 3-4 drinks on Friday and Saturday only but seeing a I normally work Saturday for 5 or so hours maybe only drinking every other day is the ticket. I have wanted to try for an AF day but so far have been unable to do it, even for a day.
                            You always succeed if you never stop trying.
                            Everyday we choose the direction of change.

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                              Just noticed this thread popped up again. I'd say at a rather appropriate time too.
                              I lost my plot last night. These days I leave my wine at my friends house. I visit her 2 or 3 times a week where we open a bottle and share a couple of glasses and then I take the bottle home and finish. It has been working really well for me that way. Last night however I did my friend a favour by delivering something to another friends. This friend owed us each 2 bottles of wine that she had borrowed until her batch was ready. So while I was there I picked up the returned wine. I know it's crazy but I should have taken that wine right back to my friends. I finished the opened bottle and then said I would just have another glass. Well that was it most of the second bottle was imbibed too. I feel I had been doing very well with my plan. This just tells me I can't have any extra in my house yet. Maybe I won't ever be able to again. One day at a time. We all have different goals and the reasons for addressing alcohol vary as well. I am not here to judge. I hope you will all come back and post how you are doing. xox

                              Start by doing what's necessary, then what's possible and suddenly you are doing the impossible.


                              St. Francis of Assisi

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