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[Gidget]

Hiya Ya'll,
I was hoping that someone may have tried MODER8 and if so I was wondering what you thought of the product? I am relatively happy in sobriety and was trotting along just fine when I came across the site for a natural supplement that supposedly depresses your need for excessive drinking enabling you to have 1-2 glasses and effectively stop. Of course my mind went 'Ooooh, really!?', my heart skipped a beat and my hope was rekindled...sad aint it ha ha.
Any feedback on the product would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
SJ
: )

[Gidget]

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It appears that not many have come across this product.
In that case, the products offered on this site....are any of those good suppressors?
I am wanting to try these alternatives before I completely commit to sobriety.
Leaving no stone unturned : )
I have been sober for almost 6 months ( this time around ) and it has been mostly a pleasant experience and I was actually settling into the AA way but have of late been letting my head space get the better of me. One of my road blocks is that my mother was once...many years ago... an alcoholic ( her words ), she trained herself over many years through NLP ( neuro linguistic programming ) to drink responsibly ( 1-3 drinks max and never more than 3-4 times a week ). THIS is a huge block for me cos there is always the ' Well if she could do it' in the back of my head. She is an incredibly intelligent woman though and I am unsure if I have the mental capacity and ability to commit ( crazy that as it is surely the most important thing I shall do in this life for myself ). Just rambling. Sorry. Just want to try this one last avenue but do not want to rush in without some groundwork first!
Thanks
SJ

[Rusty]

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Hi Gidget.

I have never heard of MODER8, but I am a firm believer in Baclofen, which is what I am on...60-90 mg. per day, AF 95% of the time and a very happy person!

[Gidget]

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Thanks Randy : )
I just have a couple of questions if you dont mind and have the time : )
I Had a little read up on Baclofen just then and it says it makes you ' indifferent to alcohol' could you explain how this works with you? So... you drink probably 5% of the time...that sounds great. So your desire has waned but you can still enjoy the glass of wine, whisky etc when you do partake? So you basically have a drink to be sociable as opposed to craving one?
It says you do not need a prescription, do you know if this is correct and one last thing : )....
Do you have any side effects?
Thanks, that info is really helpful as MODER8 appears to only be available in the USA at this point in time.
Cheers
SJ

[Rusty]

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Gidget,

Congratulations on your AF time!:goodjob: :yay:

What country do you live in, because you can get Baclofen without a script from a ton of online pharmacies like Goldpharma, Alldaychemist, Inhouse, 4Rx, but they don't ship to all countries. The side effects include sleepiness (during the day), and if you titrate up, it can make you feel kind of dizzy sometimes. Some people experience insomnia on it. Not me. I sleep like a dog now.

It's interesting that you bring up your mother. My mom and dad LOVED to entertain when I was growing up and although not dependent on alcohol, could really put away the booze when they were hosting a party or attending one, which was monthly. My mom's drinking decreased significantly over the years because she didn't want it to be a problem. My mom's 3 sisters were all alcoholics. My mom and I liked to have a couple of glasses of wine together when I was visiting her. That glass of wine at the end of the day helps her relax. It's her only vice and her reward at the end of the day (She's 83). She has always believed that anyone can change habits and avoid any addiction with prayer and a change in attitude. My dad thought the same thing.

Sooo....my last hangover was May 28, 2010. I started the Baclofen regularly in September. Yes, it makes me indifferent to alcohol and has totally knocked out my anxiety so I can focus on changing my habits and my drinking thinking. I rarely have cravings anymore...once in a while....but I've never been physically dependent on it....meaning I never got the shakes or terrible anxiety if I didn't have it....never hid bottles, etc. Now when I am with my family, or my mother....a couple of times a month usually, I have 1 (yes, just one) glass of wine and have no problem controlling it. I don't even think about it. If I do drink, all my family wants is that I can be in control. When my drinking was at its worst, my personality changed and I acted like a fruit loop. I am happy with my AF (for the most part) life. I have time to do so many things and enjoy life so much better, and when my career's stresses make me think, " I need a drink (or 5), now I can say to myself, "Drinking will NOT make any situation better, so why do it?"

Many members here say moderating is too difficult and it's playing with fire....you might find that if you start moderating, your drinking will end up being worse than it ever was before. You are AF, why not keep on that way? Consider using the Drink Tracker. That's a good tool, too.

Best of luck to you in your journey!

Rusty

[Pride before Fall]

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Hi Gidget,

There's lots of information on Baclofen in this thread:
https://www.mywayout.org/community/f2...ead-38718.html

I found the marketing out there on Moder8 kind of sketchy. I wouldn't start there when there are other options to control cravings that have at least some proven success.

If you aren't having cravings and have six months of sobriety under your belt, I would listen as objectively as possible to the voice in your head telling you to moderate and try and get down to its source. It would worry me if my heart skipped a beat at the thought of drinking again. Addiction has uncanny methods for worming its way back into a person's life, and you have it in your rear view already.

In the end, we have to weigh the risks of moderating against the benefits, and be extra aware that the mind of someone addicted to alcohol will minimize those risks and exaggerate the benefits to justify continued drinking. I'd suggest writing the reasons you quit and the reasons to moderate down, to help you come to the healthiest decision possible for yourself.

Good luck!

xoxo Pride

[Gidget]

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Great reply Rusty, appreciate it.
It's odd but I have never been so at peace with the idea of being AF for the rest of my life. Yet when this 'opportunity' to be able to have that odd social drink without the fear of drinking the whole bar arises I get a renewed sense of hope that I can feel ' Free'. That may be odd as many people say they feel free when they are sober as they know that they are in control. I don't feel free as I still feel slightly cut off from a lot of things/events/people.
I am very social without alcohol and often put myself deliberately into situations that make me feel anxious, nervous in order to hopefully overcome these feelings and give my confidence a boost.
I did not tend to drink to fix a problem and I never drank in the morning. My drinking was very social and was what I would classify as Binge drinking...One was too many, 100 not enough. When I woke in the morning after solid, steady hours of drinking I was full of the usual remorse, shame, guilt but I never picked up in the morning as my ' moral code' would kick in and say ' That's just not done'.
I associated drinking with having friends. Being worthy of company. Having a good laugh. Until I wasn't.
I do believe I am quite an anxious person and would be interested to see if that is what I am feeling with the help of Baclofen.
I am a little afraid of trying and failing and having to start again but you know what, I have picked myself up many, many times before and although it hurts at first, time does heal.
IF and when I try I will ensure that I am in a safe, supportive environment.
Will pop online and check out these pharmacies.
Thanks again
SJ

[Gidget]

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found the marketing out there on Moder8 kind of sketchy. I wouldn't start there when there are other options to control cravings that have at least some proven success.

If you aren't having cravings and have six months of sobriety under your belt, I would listen as objectively as possible to the voice in your head telling you to moderate and try and get down to its source. It would worry me if my heart skipped a beat at the thought of drinking again. Addiction has uncanny methods for worming its way back into a person's life, and you have it in your rear view already.

In the end, we have to weigh the risks of moderating against the benefits, and be extra aware that the mind of someone addicted to alcohol will minimize those risks and exaggerate the benefits to justify continued drinking. I'd suggest writing the reasons you quit and the reasons to moderate down, to help you come to the healthiest decision possible for yourself.

Good luck!

Hi Pride,
Thanks for the link, shall have a look in a minute.
Your reply makes a lot of sense and it made me frown and pout and think' Hmmmf', cos I guess I don't really want to hear a lot of what you had to say : D
I think my main reasons for wanting to try to moderate again are these:
1. My mothers opinion ( intelligent woman who is living proof )
2. The advances in medication and the possibility that there is a 'cure'.
3. My understanding that the brain is an incredibly complex and amazing 'machine' that most certainly can overcome/change/adapt anything. Surely?
4. I had many an occasion when I had a few drinks and went home. These times were mostly around family as I simply did not have the desire to get drunk with them and it was relatively easy to stop ( still had the ' one more would be nice' buzz tho ). This leads me to think that if my brain could be trained to respond the same way when in the company of people my own age ( 28 ) and certain other situations.

Not overly thinking what I type it is just flying onto the keyboard so my apologies for going on....

SJ

[Gidget]

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Whoops didn't mean to re post your post Pride, had copied to have a look while I replied : D

[KundaliniGirl]

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Hey Gidget, just wondering if you're still posting here?

KG

[Trixiebelle]

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Gidget;1029948 wrote: One of my road blocks is that my mother was once...many years ago... an alcoholic ( her words ), she trained herself over many years through NLP ( neuro linguistic programming ) to drink responsibly ( 1-3 drinks max and never more than 3-4 times a week ). THIS is a huge block for me cos there is always the ' Well if she could do it'

Then there's the mother who says to you "women who drink are disgusting" almost spitting venom as she utters the words and gives you a look along with it, that could cut you into tiny pieces.

So which one is worse?

I am convinced this is where my career began - being the rebellious little s%$t I was. So instead of controlling me, I went out of control.

As for the Baclofen Gidget, I tried it and already being in the grips of fatigue, I could barely stay awake. I live in Australia and it was a cinch to get it via the internet and through customs.

Has worked for heaps of people, just be careful not to increase the dosage too quickly if you do try it, slowly is the best way.

[Trixiebelle]

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Hey Gidget,

I have tried Baclofen, got it very easily through an online pharmacy and no probs getting it through customs to Aust.

How did you go ordering it?

My only problem was that I couldn't tolerate the tiredness it caused. If you tritrate slowly its not so bad I hear, but I am a sleepy head anyway, so let it go.

Keep in touch and let us know how you got on.

[Gidget]

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Hiya Kundalini and TrixiBelle : )
Thanks for your replies! Are you both moderators or abstaining? If moderating, What has worked for you?
I read that you should not drink alcohol with baclofen as it increases the side effects...it appears it is mainly for abstaining. I can abstain just fine, I just want to give moderating one more stab so that I can enter into sobriety feeling that I have exhausted all avenues.
I am 100% aware that if I went back to drinking now, with 6 months sobriety under my belt , that I would return to my previous drinking habits.In the past I used to get 6 months to a year under my belt and then believe that I had changed and was now more mature and could drink normally....I am happy that I have seen through that farce...Keep doing what your doing and you'll get what your getting : )
So I am currently on the NLP and hypnosis trail. I really do feel that your brain CAN be retrained. For example: Last night I had my first ever drinking dream where I had a few drinks and stopped! Usually I get really drunk in my dream! Not sure if this is progress ha ha but it sure felt good.
Hope your all happy and healthy!
SJ x

[KundaliniGirl]

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Gidget, I had posted this today, so am copying and pasting it here.

Shanny, I can only tell you my experience but I think it might help. I drank normally for many years, then started escalating. Ultimately when my husband was diagnosed with cancer, and then it recurred, my drinking increased pretty dramatically. I had two incidents that brought me here. I was determined just to be done with alcohol and went 2.5 mos. without any. Becoming AF was a real turning point for me. I loved my life without it except for one thing. I couldn't get past wanting to share a nice bottle of wine at dinner when my husband and I would go out (our once/week night out) or when we got together with friends (pretty rare - most have moved so we just see them occasionally).

So, after 2.5 mos. of thinking I wouldn't drink ever again, I had this desire to try the occasional kind of drinking I described above. So, for the last month, I have done it. I have the 1/2 bottle of wine or 2 margaritas when I'm at dinner. I don't drink anything at all during the week (the dinners invariably occur on the weekend).

I have to say that I think I've achieved the ultimate. For me, having to say I could NEVER have a drink was daunting. Having said that, though, I am fully prepared to go back to totally abstaining if I ever get back to wanting to drink during the week. This is my big red flag if it occurs.

I'm thrilled to be exactly where I'm at. It sounds to me like you're trying to achieve something similar to what I'm doing.

I think the most important component of why I've been able to do this is my 2.5 mos. totally AF. Before that I had never quit drinking for more than a day or two and I found I couldn't cut down my drinking. But, after that 2.5 mos. suddenly I was able to drink normally (at least so far). It was pretty miraculous for me, really! I have never been in a better place as it relates to alcohol. No longer do I drink habitually but on those occasions (no more than 1x week) I can have a couple and not worry about getting back into my rut. I'm so much more relaxed and happy than I was when I'd go out to dinner and not be able to have a glass of wine. And, of course, I'm light years better off than when my drinking had escalated!! I feel like I'm handling alcohol as it's meant to be - very casually and nonobsessively in any way.

Hope this helps, Gidget - sounds like your situation is different than mine, but I think my brain has been retrained. Let us know how it goes. Sorry I don't know about the meds, but Sunnyvalenting says Bac works best when you're not drinking.

xx,
KG

[Trixiebelle]

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I think its also about being absolutely certain about what you want and don't want. I am modding, but still drink far too much IMO. I am a few steps behind KG. I would like to do the AF thing for a while to prove to myself that I CAN do it.

For now (I dont think I am quite at that point yet) I watch what I drink like a hawk. I am really conscious about not drinking way too much and writing myself off. (So I see that as a step in the right direction).

Interesting what you said about the Baclofen, I hadnt heard that, so maybe that's why I was soooo tired.

I am also trying to get back to the fantastic habit I had before Christmas of not drinking thru the week, so hard to break the habit, but so easy to resume.