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    Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

    I (45 and female) came across this site while waiting for registration on Al-Anon. My problem with alcohol started in my 20s. I amazed myself (and those around me) with the amount of alcohol I could consume and remain upright, coherent and - to those not near enough to smell me - appear completely sober. Even the hangovers were minimal. I was never a regular drinker, but an occasional binger. My binging carried on throughout my thirties. Never having had kids or any dependants I was free to do as I pleased and enjoyed my lifestyle. I lived with a ?stupid? alcoholic for eight years and ironically this curbed my drinking to some extent as I tried to remain sober to avoid the nasty confrontations we had. Got rid of ?stupid?, moved town and got a new life ? didn?t take too long to set up a new social circle of alcohol consuming buddies. Six years ago I was offered a job managing a pub (I?m an accountant by profession). This led to more regular drinking with occasional binges ? hell the booze was free now. My alcohol of choice was red wine with the occasional Jack. The binges became more regular and eventually I started to experience black outs when drinking three or more glasses of red wine. Problem was/is that I?m addicted to red wine ? pull up a bar stool and I?m ordering a glass. Amazingly I was still able to ?hold a pose? and manage to remain upright until the porcelain bowl and I had our board meeting. I resigned from the pub almost three years ago (liver half intact) and joined up with my present partner helping him run his manufacturing businesses. He is an alcoholic (57 years old) ? a bumbling, lovable, entertaining drunk. This was never been much of an issue because (bless his soul) he would curb his drinking when we were out to make sure I got home safe. In the first year or so we would enjoy our alcoholic splurges together ? nothing better than sharing a good drunken laugh with a mutual admirer. Then business got tough and we both started to crumble. I?ve never been a ?home alone? drinker and alcohol is not really my issue ? nicotine is my crutch ? I developed a 60 a day habit, and he a bottle of brandy a day habit. Because the hangovers were starting to annoy me - and I know I have difficulty entering a pub and leaving after two drinks - I curbed my visits. My three or four night a week habit became a once or twice a week small binge - is there such a thing ? Earlier this year gall stones and jaundice reduced me to a tea drinker ? yes even at the pub. I?d still have my binge but only once or twice a month ? still have a 40 a day ciggie habit. We recently sold the business and are now between occupations (stress level is down but worry level is up) and plan to set up a business from home. I haven?t binged in over two months and hope to keep it that way.
    But here we sit - with cash on hand and more due to come in ? no real direction, just some sort of idea ? one alcoholic and one nicotine addict. My partner left home at 2pm yesterday to have a couple at the pub. When I opened the door to him at midnight he had blood streaming from his elbow, a gash on his knee, a take-away in one hand and his car keys in the other. He could barely walk. He?s a big man ? 6ft2, strong and muscular ? it?s difficult trying to assist him to bed let alone get him to the loo and clean up the cuts and bruises. These binges have only occurred in the last several months because I don?t accompany him to the pub as much. He goes off to the pub partly to escape me as I?m not the nicest person in the world at the moment and am getting frustrated and angry with him because I cannot enjoy his drunkardness in the way I could when I was drinking myself. He is also becoming a less lovable drunk ? somewhere in the haze he senses that I am angry with him and retaliates. I understand this and am trying to find help for myself in coping with his binges - but my central need is to help him. He is too terrified to take the step of joining AA and I know he does not want to stop drinking ? he?s been a heavy drinker all his adult life. We live in a smallish town and his proud and sober mind cringes at the idea that he was falling down drunk in public but the cringes only occur at the onset of the hangover ? a problem I?m sure we all understand so well. He drinks daily - at home and/or at the pub ? ranging between ? and a full bottle a day (think yesterday was 2 bottles), with the occasional day (possibly two) off. 95% of the time he handles the alcohol well and shows few outward signs. The other 5% he can be quite out of it after ? bottle. Is there any hope of a 57 year old lifelong heavy drinker becoming a moderate drinker? In the almost four years I have known him he has ranged from between two bottles to seven bottles a week. The seven bottle weeks were few and far between but are moving closer and closer together now. As the alcohol increases so does is his desperation. I love this man dearly and want him back in my life - not on the sidelines waiting for the next binge. He is a very religious man (but not church going) and prays daily for God to help him to stop drinking. Unfortunately he does not trust mankind as much and (mainly because his pride is terrified a councillor may know him through business or social dealings) stubbornly refuses to discuss his problem with anyone other than me.
    Any advice?
    PS : he says he?ll stop drinking if I stop smoking ? and I?ve retaliated with I?ll stop smoking if he stops drinking :yeahright:
    Twomiddleagedkidsdesperatelyseekinghelp

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    Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

    WOW...Thats a question that only he can answer.I am 56 yrs. old and had 17yrs. sober but once I took one drink,the drink started taking me.I tried to mod. over and over and ended up on a binge,every time.My life is so much better now that ALCOHOL isn't in it...I AM SO MUCH BETTER AT BEING ME.We are all different so he will have to try and see if he can mod...If he can then FINE,if he can't then there is always the choice to be AF...Good luck and stay close...There is great help here
    sigpicEyes on the PRIZE, a SOBER Future !!!

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      #3
      Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

      Evie is right...only your husband can decide to quit drinking or not. I can understand the tension in your house because I quit drinking 47 days ago and my 54 yo husb has continued. My husb came home Wed night bleeding from the arm and hand and damage (scrapes) on both sides of the car. He remembers nothing and was so drunk when he came in that he was boucing off the walls. In our case, I don't see moderation as an option. My husband has not reached the quitting stage even after this incident. If your husband has said he WANTS to quit then that is half the battle. Maybe you should talk to him about this program, or if he needs more, maybe rehab first. I was on the verge of calling to set up outpatient rehab when I found this website; it immediately helped me and within a week I was "on the mend". By all means try to approach you husb with compassion and the sincere desire to support him in his efforts. Have you read the book provided in this program; that is a good place to start because it will explain all of the program as well as the supplements and medicines available. I wish you both success in this journey. It is not a bed of roses but with this loving community here to help it becomes much easier than trying to do it alone. We look forward to your future posts. Kriger
      "People usually fail when they are on the verge of success. So give as much care to the end as to the beginning." Lao-Tzu

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        #4
        Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

        Hi EvieLou and Kriger
        Thanks for the replies – both ring so true.

        Evie, I seem to manage fine on mod – but the binge factor is always lurking in the background – so I may have to move to AF sooner rather than later. Fact is sometimes only two wines can turn out like a binge because my system doesn’t always metabolise well – other times four wines and I’m perfectly fine. Horror is, I know the difference before I start drinking, but stupid, stupid I just carry on. Hubby may not be able to cope with mod – but I’ll try and encourage him to read through the site with me tomorrow and see how he takes to it.

        Kriger, my heart goes out to you – we share a lifestyle. I’m working on the compassion and doing my best not to loose my cool with him. At least talk of quitting or cutting down has been his norm for several months and he is very aware that he has a serious problem. To be honest I never had any idea that moderate drinking was a possibility in an alcoholic’s life. This site has at least given some hope in that respect. Hope that next time I sign on you'll have a "feeling good" notice next to your mood.

        My concern is that the supplements and medicines may not be available here in South Africa.

        Wishing you both luck and praying for all of us.

        Mandy

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          #5
          Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

          There are a few others from South Africa on this forum you could pm or email for advice on supplements...

          I would think that he has a good start by recognising that he has a problem and if in the end he does want to stop altogether he can find support here and lso for for moderating which is good for some people ....
          ?We are one another's angels?
          Sober since 29/04/2007

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            #6
            Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

            Hi Heavenly
            I?ve checked - there are 29 SAers on here - that is so good to know. I?ll pick on someone to ask about meds and supplements.
            Hubby and I have discussed the support offered here but he is still half convinced he can do it alone. His comment was that he knows all the stories and knows all the answers and knows he has to stop. To him the outside support means nothing. I suggested very softly that he has tried alone before so why does he believe this time will be different. He has sort of agreed to take a look and see what is going on. Problem is he is not much of a computer fundi so I?d have to help him a lot in the beginning whereas I believe it would be better if he could do it in privacy.
            I?ll most likely print the book and start from there.
            From your experience, can you advise on one thing ? where on earth is that fine line between helping and nagging?
            Many thanks for the response
            Mandy

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              #7
              Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

              Hello Mellow!

              Not sure I have any good advice, but wanted to welcome you here. I was married to a pretty "bad" alcoholic 25 years ago--sadly ended in divorce. I chalk it up to a good learning experience for myself though. I was awful back then. I thought I could "fix" him. I was terribly "co-dependent" if you're familiar with that term.
              Unfortunatley I didn't listen to the counselors back then that told me I had an "addictive" personality, and should avoid such substances. Long story short, I found myself addicted to cigarettes and beer. I REALLY wanted to quit the smokes (such a stupid, unhealthy habit) and in order to do that the beer had to go too. (that's the only time I smoked)
              Anyway, sounds like hubby is headed down a very slippery slope. I've lost a couple of friends to liver failure and drinking/driving accidents. It can and does happen--even though we think it will never happen to us. He needs help, but he might have to figure that out on his own--unfortunately. :h
              The book would be a great place to start. He also needs to find an alternate means to and from the pub before he kills himself or someone else.:l


              I probably should add that my husband and I have been great drinking buddies over the years. I also have difficulty being around him at times when he drinks. But he usually just stays out in his shop and works--where he can drink in peace. I am getting better at tolerating it though.
              That's really all I can do. And lead by example.
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              NF since June 1, 2008
              AF since September 28, 2008
              DrunkFree since June 1, 2008
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              :wings: In memory of MDbiker aka Bear.
              5/4/2010 In loving memory of MaryAnne. I pray you've found peace my friend.
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              The will of God will never take you where the Grace of God will not protect you.ray:

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                Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

                Hi LVT
                If you had mentioned the word co-dependent to me 17 years ago I would have had no idea what you meant but it would have applied to me. Same as you, I lived it and outgrew it. My present partner is a loving, stubborn, humorous, controlling, compassionate, intelligent man and I love him to bits ? I?m also level-headed and very clear on what I do and don?t like ? we argue, debate, laugh, disagree, agree and have a reasonably balanced relationship. The drinking hasn?t created any problems between us other than the last several months since we sold our business (we only actively withdrew last month but the sale was signed in April). The business grew very substantially in the last three years and basically became a bit too much for us ? the past 18 months have been very stressful ? should we obtain financing and expand or should we sell? We ran about like two chickens without heads. Thanks to God we sold the business for a nice profit, but are now in a situation where we have some idea, but not a clear picture of what to do now. We are also trapped financially at the moment and have to wait for the final half of the business payment to be able to move on. I don?t think we have recovered from the long term stress yet, and the shock of suddenly not having to get up every day with a clear objective has left both of us depressed and confused. Hence the increase in his drinking. And you are right he is on his way down a slippery slope ? not too far down I hope.
                The drinking and driving is a very serious issue. He stubbornly refuses a lift home ? and as I said he is a big man so other than three guys wrestling him down he is going to get into the car and drive ? I often pray that the police will lock him up for the night ? the shame may be a wake up call. If he does continue drinking we will most likely arrange that I go with (and stay sober :angel or drop and fetch him.
                Luckily we have nothing pressing to do and can both concentrate on healing our souls for a few days ? he with his drinking and me with the depression and my smoking habit.
                Thank God too that we were told today that we need to wait another two weeks for the money to come through (it was due last week). I am confident that we can pull ourselves together in these two weeks and be more prepared to start our new lives together. We?re in no shape at the moment to handle anything new and I believe Friday?s incident was Gods wake up call for us to get back on track.
                Thanks for the post. The choice of reading up and getting help is in partner?s hands now ? but he seems in a good space so I?m praying you?ll all hear from him soon.
                You take good care and good luck with your situation.
                Mandy

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                  #9
                  Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

                  well hello there. I read your story and I'd like to tell you about something that helped me stop drinking for a little while, unti I had a run in with my "significant other", so I'll just have to try it again.
                  Any way, there's a book that really helped me , it's called "The Easy Way to Stop Drinking" by Allen Carr. he also wrote the book "The Easy Way to Stop Smoking"...
                  so, for what it's worth. It might be good for both of you...
                  Thank you for letting me share that and piece be with you....
                  Joe...

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                    #10
                    Can a 57 year old heavy drinker become a modorate drinker?

                    Hi Joe
                    Thanks for the tip. And I?m familiar with Alan Carr ? have his smoking book. Opened it, started it and hid it away several months ago ? was too near to deciding to stop and got scared ? how would I get through the day without my cigs :egad:?
                    This turn in the road in our lives over the weekend made me determined to get a grip on my life so I?ve joined a quit smoking group (spending so much time on the net my eyes are about to pop out) and dug the book out again. I have four friends who stopped smoking on Carr?s book so will certainly have a go at the drinking book for hubby.

                    I?ve been reading through your posts on here and see you have had a bit of a rough road the last month or so ? how are things going with you now?

                    Read your post about going to buy a bottle of wine when you already had one but knew it would not be enough ? hell, how I can relate to that, lol ? I check that I have at least three packs of cigs on hand in case I can?t make it to the shop the next morning. The main thing I absorbed with Carr?s book was the FREEDOM aspect ? how I?d love to be FREE of these cigs.
                    I imagine you would have the same longing for freedom from wine. I feel I can?t offer any tips on stopping alcohol because I don?t have the cravings but surely it is a similar feeling to what I suffer with nicotine? I?ve just checked my pack now (it?s just gone midnight here) and only have about 12 left ? not doing too good on day one of stop smoking am I ? ? this means I have to get to bed now or I?ll be smokieless in the morn.
                    Hell, aren?t we a load of damned silly fools being led about our own lives by inanimate things that provide us with nothing but pain?
                    Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! :damn:
                    You take good care and be specially nice to yourself this evening Joe.

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